On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 10:08 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < [email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Friday, 26 April 2019 16:14:07 UTC+3, Terren Suydam wrote: >> >> >> >> You really can't see the difference between the way a cochlear implant >> creates new qualia, versus riding a bike? If you want to be taken >> seriously you'll have to do better than that. >> > > What is the difference ? > One introduces a new sense, and the other introduces new experience in terms of senses one already has. If it's too difficult to understand that difference, we can talk about creating a brand new sense to detect, say, the earth's magnetic field, and using a neural implant to feed data about the magnetic field into the brain. I wanted to stick though to something that has already been achieved, and there is no difference in principle between the deaf person with a cochlear implant, and any human getting a technology-mediated sense of the earth's magnetic field. The original question was asking for an explanation of how this new kind of sense qualia could arise when it's mediated by a technological device. I expect this to be a problem for you, because of your insistence that such devices don't exist, and your lack of ability to account for the correspondence between brain states and qualia. > >> >>> You have a system of interacting consciousnesses from which certain >>> interactions are missing. >>> >> >> That doesn't explain anything. >> > > It depends to what level you want the explanation to be taken. For the > level at which you asked the question, that is the answer. If you ask the > question at a more deeper level, like how exactly the difference in light > sensitive cells in the eyes ultimately determine the experienced qualia, > then I don't know. And nobody does. > Do you know what I'm asking for when I ask for an explanation? I'm asking how it works. How to the consciousnesses interact? And how does that interaction create the situation where you can see the full spectrum of visible color, but I cannot? If you don't know, then you have given me no reason at all to take your ideas seriously. You're just doing a bunch of hand-waving. Not only that, you're telling everyone else they're wrong if they don't agree with you. It's a crude strategy, but it's worked miracles for religious evangelists over the millenia. I don't think it'll work here though. > >> >> If you're equating science done in dreams and science done in reality, >> you're a solipsist. >> >> No. Because I allow for other consciousnesses to exist. > Do you know for sure they do? Or do you just allow for the possibility? > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
