On 4/30/2019 3:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 28 Apr 2019, at 22:50, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



On 4/28/2019 11:09 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote:
Ok, so how does it appear ?

Like this (you're getting kind of dense).

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I agree that to define the qualia red, the ostensive definition is the only possible. But that does not mean that ???ostensive definition??? explains the existence of the impression. With ???red???, it is well known that we cannot be sure if we live all a similar qualia.

Of course not.Red has many associations which inform the emotions, values, and actions it evokes; many derived from the fact that it is the color of one's blood.?? But some may associate it more with roses or the sky at sunset.


Cosmin is kind of dense, but I still agree you can quick on consciousness. With mechanism, it is up to the believer in matter to justify what is matter and how it selects the computations in arithmetic to make it more real, or conscious, etc.

My point is that "qualia" don't exist independent of an environment, and an evolutionary history.

Brent

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