> On 3 May 2019, at 01:08, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
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> On 5/2/2019 9:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>> I guess you meant “clonable”; On the contrary, with mechanism matter is not 
>> clonable for all its aspect belonging below our substitution level,
> It's merely your supposition that the not clonable (I quoted your "coinable") 
> is below the level at which substitution effects consciousness. 


Not at all. It is the consequence of step 1-6. Or the consequence of the fact 
that a machine cannot know which machine she is, or which computations support 
her in arithmetic. 


> But I wonder what effect we are worrying about. Suppose we did this 
> duplication and the Moscow man and the Washington man both then denied they 
> were conscious, yet still behaved exactly as before?

?

How could they behave exactly the same, and denied that they were conscious. 
When?  I do not understand.

Bruno



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> Brent
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>> which has to exists (due to the infinity of computations going through or 
>> relevant finite state), so that the non cloning theorem confirms mechanism.
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