On Sunday, May 12, 2019 at 2:43:39 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 9 May 2019, at 19:57, Philip Thrift <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > > > Is a theory of dark matter already lurking within TOA (Theory Of > Arithmetic) ready to be derived? > > > The goal was to explain where consciousness and matter comes from, in a > verifiable way, but for physics, we have got only that it has to exist, be > non trivial, non boolean and quantum like, with a highly symmetrical core > where information cannot be eliminated. > > > > > > -- but as for arithmetic being "universal" among cultures, arithmetical > abilities are also found in other animals, like birds. > > > Yes. And pigeon are better than human is evaluating some (very particular) > arithmetical proposition. > > I am glad you agree with this. Some argue against the “objectiveness” of > elementary arithmetical reality by pointing that some humans have not yet > the notion.. This has been disproved, if I remember well. > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird_intelligence > > > Just as there is panexperientialism -- experientiality at various (proto) > levels is found universally in all matter > > > Below virus, I am not even sure what that could mean. With mechanism, some > digital code has to play a role. The continuum needs the waves to get the > natural numbers, and listen to the music of the prime, or the cacophony of > the baby universal numbers …. > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panpsychism#Panexperientialism > > -- and panlinguisticism -- ditto language -- there is panarithmeticalism. > > Matter has all these aspects: experiential, grammatical, arithmetical. > > > Yes, and other aspect too, at least when we derive matter from the > imagination of numbers. > > It is like in Proclos, from the One you get an arithmogony, then a > psychogony, and then a cosmogony. Matter is when God loses control, and can > no more predict something to you, like its illustrated with the first > person indeterminacy. You might try the thought experience, to see what I > mean. > > Bruno > > PS I see there are still a full discussion in this thread. Will read > later. Apology for the (3p or 1pp!) delays ... > > > >
> "The continuum needs the waves to get the natural numbers, and listen to the music of the prime, or the cacophony of the baby universal numbers …." I came across this a couple of days ago: *What is a Line?* Can the arithmetic (the discrete) and the geometric (the continuous) get along? http://vcho.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/What-is-a-Line-Axiomathes.pdf *Since the discovery of incommensurability in ancient Greece, arithmeticism and geometricism constantly switched roles. ...* ends *The spatial subject[line]-object[point] relation, embodied in a (delimited) linestretch, presupposes the uniqueness and irreducibility of the totality character of continuity (Bernays, Brouwer and Weyl), as well as the irreducibility of the spatial time-order of at once—and at the same time it highlights the mutual coherence between the aspects of number and space*. > "Matter is when God loses control, and can no more predict something to you, like its illustrated with the first person indeterminacy." OK. :) @philipthrift -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/9e1ed91b-2d66-46d0-a87a-3457bec3bb12%40googlegroups.com.
