> On 21 May 2019, at 12:04, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List 
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> What about color red ?

As I just explained they belong to the phenomenology of numbers, which is 
derivable from the addition and multiplication laws, which lead already to 
Turing universality, and to the theology of the Löbian numbers (like PA) that a 
weaker theory (RA) emulates integrally.

With mechanism, the ontology is very simple, any universal machinery can be 
used. I use the numbers because everyone is familiar with them. I often use 
combinators with more advanced students, as their Turing universality is less 
lengthy to prove. I made a thread on the mathematics of combinators recently.

Bruno


> 
> On Friday, 17 May 2019 21:36:50 UTC+3, [email protected] wrote:
> 
> With mechanism, what exists are the numbers. 
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