Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity from Google group forum at the bottom
[Philip Benjamin]
Rudyard Kipling’s Ballad speaks a lot! The recent posts in the Google group
seems to prove it. These are in fact products of WAMP-erial campuses and
WAMP-ologies (defined elsewhere below). Though annoyance and apathy to these
ill-thought-out babblings of Western paganism (see notes below) are very
legitimate responses, it is rather heart-felt pity and dismay that really rise
up in one’s “mind” (or consciousness? conscience?), especially for one born
about 80 miles South-Central to Kaladi, Shankaracharya’s birthplace and about
the same distance and direction from Kodungallur the landing place (52-AD) in
Kerala/Malankara of the Doubting Apostle Thomas, (where the middle names still
matter as the more meaningful references!!).
An explanation is in order for the word paganism. In Queen’s
English enriched by the KJV, “pagan” (probably from pan-Gaia =
earth-worshipper) is of very recent origin and never used in the KJV. Instead
KJV uses heathen, foreign and strange. The dilemma of KJV translators is
understandable. How can Great Britain (first so used during the reign of King
James I of England -James VI of Scotland- in 1603) be “heathen”? So, they
transliterated the Latin root gentilis into gentiles, for the Hebrew word
“goy(im)” which simply means “nation(s)” and referred also to the Nation of
Israel. (Scofield Bible uses “nation” instead of “gentile”). This is not
specifically discussed by James Hedges, Ph.D., professor of English, emeritus,
Azusa Pacific University, in “The Influence of the King James Bible on English
Literature”
(https://www.apu.edu/articles/the-influence-of-the-king-james-bible-on-english-literature/.
There seems to be general agreement on the following:
1. Judaism in a way is more intellectual than Catholicism.
2. Hell-threat is the worst form of terrorism
3. If self-expression is legit for the creature, it should be legit for the
Creator also. Therefore the Scriptures must be taken literally.
4. Mixing religion with State is blasphemous
5. The concept of “ontological real matter” is magical thinking, like the
Vitalism of “the biologist some century ago”). Theology is contrary to science
and religion, causing social schizophrenia.
1. Judaism is ill-defined and misrepresented these days by the academics. The
word “Jew” appears for the first time in 2Kings16:6 (~550 BC) with the Assyrian
captivity of Israel (Northern Kingdom) followed 136 years later of Judah
(Southern Kingdom) by the Babylonian exile {2 Kings 17:7-8: "All this took
place because the Israelites had rebelled against the LORD [YHWH, singular]
their God [Elohim, uni-plural echad], who had brought them up out of Egypt from
under the power of Pharaoh king of Egypt. They worshiped other gods and
followed the practices of the nations [goim, foreigners, heathen]…..”
Traditional Judaism (of Rabbi Yeshua’s days) is Talmudic (Babylonian), not
Tanakhic (Mosaic, Prophetic). For example, “Love your neighbor” (Lev 19:18) is
Tanakhic “and hate your enemy” is Talmudic (aka Traditions, Qumran sect taught:
“Bear unremitting hatred towards all men of ill repute, Manual of Discipline
ix, 21-26). In Matthew 5:43 the Rabbi Yeshua Hamashiach corrects the
“Traditions”. It is difficult to define Modern Judaism—the more Orthodox, the
closer to Talmud, the more Reformed the lesser to Tanakh and to Talmud!!
2. Hell-threat? That depends on what the hell, Hell is!! The WAMP culture is
ignorant of the Protoevangelium—vicarious death of the Testator who pronounced
the Sentence of death in Genesis 3:15, which is expounded by Rabbi Saul of
Tarsus in the letter to the Romans chapter five, where the sentence is mediated
by the Sentenser and risen again from the dead. Those who willingly accept that
mediated cancellation will be with the Risen Testator (Hebrews 9:16) and those
who willfully reject it will continue to be where they always wanted to be—away
from the Risen Sentenser.
That is no threat. It is a fact, both historical and historic.
Otherwise the early Christians (their numbers recorded in the Acts are 12, 120,
500, 3000, 50000, then multitudes both men and women) who were 100% Jewish,
could not have “gathered”/synagogue for Communion on the First Day of the Week
(Acts 20: 7) instead of the inflexible Seventh Day (which has only a Tanakhian
reason and no astronomical or terrestrial basis, such as for the month, year
and 24-hour day). It must also be noted that there is no mention in the New
Testament of a Sadducee convert (the Liberal, Jewish version of Hellenist
Epicurean). They were very orthodox, Pharisaical.
3. Self-expression if at all real, must first have a real “self” first--
identical/eidetic to the visible body to avoid global dissonance. And if
“self” is real—a big if for the science of observations-- but invisible, the
only candidate now available is bio dark-matter with bio dark-matter chemistry
(i.e. chemical bonds which are spin governed particle configurations of Duets &
Octets). Such information was not available for Aristotle or Augustine of Hippo
or Descartes). “Self” is then the nonelectric, nonentropic extraordinary bio
dark-matter twin cocreated with the electric, entropic ordinary body at the
moment of conception. One refers to Ordinary Materialism (Physicalism) and the
other to Extraordinary Materialism (Physicalism). The WAMP is silent!!
Dumbfounded? Discomfited? Self-conscious?
This may have some relevance to item # 2 above: “Upon decoupling, the
unenergized (unregenerated), non-entropic bio dark-matter bodies co-created at
the moment of conception will be lost in their abodes of the dark-matter realms
(black holes), by their own willful choice. Adapted from "Ten Implications of
Bio Dark-Matter Chemistry"(ResearchGate).
4. Comingling religion with the State is not germane in the 5-Sola
post-Reformation West. Liberal/Progressive/Socialist/Marxist paganism is
originally and almost uniquely a Western phenomenon. It started with the
Protestant segment of Germany, perhaps the pagan philosopher Friedrich
Nietzsche paved the way (this pagan philosopher’s family was a stronghold of
Lutheran<https://www.britannica.com/topic/Lutheranism> piety, his father and
both paternal & maternal grandfathers were leading Lutheran pastors. If Germany
had come under Jihadism (≠ Jihad), which was too close, there was little or no
probability of him being not a Jihadist fundamentalist (as some Indian scholars
were during 1000 years of Jihadist plunder, and some Spaniard scholars were
during 800 years of Jihadist rule (≠ Jihad) facilitated by the Unitarian
Arianism).
Conversely, the blasphemy is in the quarantine and cauterization of
foundational principles of Augustinian Western Civilization which had as its
cornerstone the replacement of the Aristotelian Uncaused First Cause, the
Unmoved (Prime) Mover, with the Prophetic/Apostolic Adonai YHWH (singular)
Elohim (uni-plural). Rabbi Saul of Tarsus had already dealt with the Athenian
“Unknown god”, as recorded by the Greek physician Luke in Acts 17:23 around 60
AD.
This Church State Separation was made into the stare decisis American
juridical lingo by the KKK Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black
(https://www.americanheritage.com/hugo-black-and-kkk) who was against
supporting Catholic Schools vis-à-vis the Public Schools which were for all
practical purposes (5-Sola) Protestant Schools (American founding population
being: >98.8% Protestant, <1% Catholic, <0.2% Jewish).
America is a product of two great historical events known as the Two
Great Awakenings. It is not a creation of WAMP-erial Revolutions. These are
individual quickening ( to quote the Quakers & Shakers) on a massive scale.
Those quickened (regenerated) consciousnesses prevented a French type or
Russian type Revolution in America. That is true of Great Britain also where
the Wesleyan Revivals saved the Nation from anarchy. A Third Great Awakening is
the only way out of the present malaise produced by socialist/Marxist/fascist
Progressive paganism (verisimilar to that of the evolutionists-- socialist
pagan Hitler, Marxist pagan Stalin etc.). Brunel University’s finding (see
below) that socialism is for “losers” and the physically “week”, is true also
for the misinformed and mentally deficient.
5: Theology began as the Queen of Science, not “contrary to science causing
social schizophrenia”, because in order to get admitted into Theology one had
to be highly qualified in all known sciences and humanities. The 5-Sola
Augustinian Reformers continued the same traditions, only they wanted mass
education (facilitated by the Gutenberg printing press), instead of restricting
it to the clergy and royalty/nobility. Today things are very different, though
some Seminaries still insist on scholarship.
There certainly is a difference between Religion and Theology. Systematic
Theology from the protoevangelium of Genesis to its consummation in Revelation,
center around the Messianic Redemption. The Biblical hermeneutics is: The
Text; the Context; Scripture interpreting Scripture; Messiah-centrism. An
example is Jesus’ sermon at the Nazareth Synagogue recorded by the Greek
Physician in Luke 4:14-30. Jesus stops the reading of the Text at “the
vengeance” because the context is the First Advent, not the Second. In Luke
24:27 & 44 Jesus begins at Moses, all the Prophets and Psalms, expounding to
them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.
There is an erroneous notion spread abroad by the New Agers that
Jesus was gone to the Eastern mystics during the “silent years” to learn
mysticism and occultism. “As His custom was” in Luke 4: 16 refutes, rebukes
and invalidates such speculations. “Customs of the East” (Isaiah 2:6), said
Isaiah the stateman prophet, eventually led to the Babylonian Captivity.
It must be noted that Organic Chemistry & Vitalism were coined by the
Swedish Physician-chemist-pharmacist Berzelius, among many other of his
important scientific discoveries. Wohler’s accidental discovery of urea by
heating ammonium cyanate in the German laboratory changed the course of
chemistry. Biology did not play any role at all, as is alluded in these
misinformed posts.
Evidentialist
Philip Benjamin
CC. Prof. James Hedges;
Definition of WAMP. The self-righteous, grubering, intolerant WAMP-the-Ingrate
= Western Acade-Media Paganism (parody of WASP). Academedia (acade-media): The
monstrous double headed hybrid of a small minority of all academics including
seminarians and a large majority of all media including the Hollywood, with
no-question-asked Marxist-like authoritarianism as their modus operandi. Based
on the works of Rabbi Daniel Lapin, Ben Stein, Victor Mordecai, ex-Marxist
David Horowitz
When decoupled at death the bio dark-matter body will be relatively at a
negative energy state by -E = mC^2 where m is the dead body mass. That will be
the magnitude of the threshold external energy needed to raise the bio dark
matter body to any functional state (Physical resurrection for example). In an
early termination of pregnancy in humans, a durable and precocial bio
dark-matter twin, co-created at the moment of conception, can survive the
altricial light-matter twin.
Adapted from "Ten Implications of Bio Dark-Matter Chemistry"(ResearchGate) and
"Spiritual Body or Physical Spirit" Sunbury Press, by Philip Benjamin PhD MSc
MA
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A Caveat: WAMP is no match for Jihadism (≠ Jihad) which brutalized India for
one thousand years, Spain and other European nations for 300-800 years, all of
Middle East, a chunk of East Europe and inhumanly vanquished the Christian
Byzantines etc. Had it not been for the British Empire (the vastest, greatest,
mightiest, noblest ever--not perfect), the whole world would have been under
Jihadism by now and the self-righteous grubering WAMP-the-Ingrate would never
ever have seen the light of day.
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Notes:
National Economics Editorial (NEE)
https://nationaleconomicseditorial.com/2017/05/25/weak-men-prefer-socialism/
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/07/are-socialists-physically-weak/533787/
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/weak-men-more-likely-to-be-socialists-study-claims-rsnc3l8mk
May
24,2017<https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/weak-men-more-likely-to-be-socialists-study-claims-rsnc3l8mk%20May%2024,2017>.
After assessing 171 men for how buff they were, academics from Brunel
University, concluded: “Researcher Michael Price suggests that the results can
be explained using the logic of evolutionary psychology: This is about our
Stone Age brains, in a modern society. Our minds evolved in environments where
strength was a big determinant of success. If you find yourself in a body not
threatened by other males, if you feel you can win competitions for status,
then maybe you start thinking that inequality is pretty good. Basically, Price
says that if you’re a winner, you like being free to win. Meanwhile, if you’re
a loser, your best chance at reproductive success is to mooch off someone
successful—every king, or great warrior, always had a large retinue of
servants”.
[Lawrence Crowell] Google Groups
May 24, 2019. “My religious background is Judaism and Catholicism. I ended up
choosing Judaism, simply because it is in a way more intellectual,..”
[Bruno Marchal] May 23—May 29, 2019 Google Groups
May 25, 2019. “To claim that someone will go to hell if it does not obey to
some humans (cling to represent God) is the worst act of terrorism possible”.
[Samiya Illias] Google Groups
May 23, 2019 “I believe that the God who created me and granted me the ability
to speak and express my self is capable of expressing and communicating
perfectly, and thus the scriptures must be taken literally”.
[Bruno Marchal]
May 23, 2019 . “To mix religion and state, or the spiritual with the
terrestrial, seems to me to be already blasphemous’.
May 24, 2019. Also much of these things involve magical thinking.
OK. But with mechanism, the concept of “ontological real matter” becomes
magical thinking, like the Vitalism of the biologist some century ago.
The problem of not letting theology in science is that it confines it in
tradition which will opposed science and religion, leading to a social
schizophrenia.
May 27, 2019 “Personally I think that Christianity has ended in 529, going from
the open dialog to pure argument per-authority. The same for Islam, as a
genuine religion, it ceased to exist after 1248, for similar reason”.
Bruno Marchal
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2019 5:53 AM
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Subject: Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity
On 24 May 2019, at 02:00, Lawrence Crowell
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
On Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 6:08:11 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 5/23/2019 3:37 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
The Torah, Tanach and to a degree as I understand the Christian New Testament
are mythic narratives meant to bring meaning to various aspects of inner mental
space or psychology.
I think you impute to much cleverness there. A lot it is, or was, intended as
real history providing both provenance and justification for whatever ethics
was being pushed at the time.
Brent
The writers of these narratives were rather clever. These are done in a
literary "shape-shifter" fashion so that they can be interpreted in a wide
range of ways. The book of Exodus, or Shemot (שְׁמוֹת) in Hebrew Shem = name
and Shemot is plural or means the list of names, has the children of Israel
leave Egypt (Mitzrayim) in the narrow place (Mezaryim), narrow in one meaning
because of the Nile. They are lead to the Red Sea where the water is separated
and crash, where red is symbolic of blood. Also remember one of the plagues on
Egypt was the Nile turned to blood. This is a birth motif, and certainly one
message is this is a metaphor for the birth of Israel. The Torah is packed full
of this sort of thing, and it involves a lot of word play.
This is not to say there are not literal meanings as well, which in different
ages are rather different. The American conservative Protestant idea about
Christianity is a peculiar redaction on the whole meaning. I can't say about
the Koran and what Islamic scholars think. It is not a subject I have delved
into, nor am I ever likely to. Samiya has posted some curious stuff that
equates Koranic passages with meaning about atoms and at one time if I recall
about the Higgs boson. So the writers there were clever enough to make the
narratives and poetry shift metaphors and retranslate meaning into different
forms as the world learns and matures. It really is one reason these scriptures
have remained so culturally and socially powerful for many centuries.
My religious background is Judaism and Catholicism. I ended up choosing
Judaism, simply because it is in a way more intellectual, it is more fun, and
Catholicism has it perks here and there but it is also rather grave and grey. I
generally consider myself quite agnostic about the idea of an infinite
disembodied entity that created and controls everything. The idea simply runs
into contradictions. I can still go to the minion, where it is the same reason
the fiddler stays on the roof (Issac B Singer) --- tradition. If I were
Catholic instead I think it would be the same thing.
With Mechanism, the infinite disembodied entity that creates and controls
everything is what the logician call “the standard model of arithmetic”, which
is the same thing as the arithmetic taught in high school.
Personally I think that christianity has ended in 529, going from the open
dialog to pure argument per-authority. The same for Islam, as a genuine
religion, it ceased to exist after 1248, for similar reason.
Maimonides seems to have helped the jews to not fall in christian and Muslim
traps, although the Orthodox Jews does it, but without the felt necessity to
impose this to non-jews.
Note, that christians and muslims have kept a bit of their initial platonism,
and have sub school or internal dissident at all period, trying to get back to
reason.
When the anglican theologian tried to bring back reason in theology, notably on
the trinitarian/unionist problem, they created mathematical logic. (Cf the book
by Daniel J. Cohen)
Bruno
LC
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