Samiya, Can you elaborate. I don’t understand. Please my a point, and then illustrate with quotes and links. What is Bani Israel?
Bruno > On 31 May 2019, at 04:37, Samiya Illias <[email protected]> wrote: > > <image1.jpeg> > > On 31-May-2019, at 12:10 AM, Philip Benjamin <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity from Google group forum at the bottom >> [Philip Benjamin] >> Rudyard Kipling’s Ballad speaks a lot! The recent posts in the Google group >> seems to prove it. These are in fact products of WAMP-erial campuses and >> WAMP-ologies (defined elsewhere below). Though annoyance and apathy to these >> ill-thought-out babblings of Western paganism (see notes below) are very >> legitimate responses, it is rather heart-felt pity and dismay that really >> rise up in one’s “mind” (or consciousness? conscience?), especially for one >> born about 80 miles South-Central to Kaladi, Shankaracharya’s birthplace >> and about the same distance and direction from Kodungallur the landing place >> (52-AD) in Kerala/Malankara of the Doubting Apostle Thomas, (where the >> middle names still matter as the more meaningful references!!). >> An explanation is in order for the word paganism. In Queen’s >> English enriched by the KJV, “pagan” (probably from pan-Gaia = >> earth-worshipper) is of very recent origin and never used in the KJV. >> Instead KJV uses heathen, foreign and strange. The dilemma of KJV >> translators is understandable. How can Great Britain (first so used during >> the reign of King James I of England -James VI of Scotland- in 1603) be >> “heathen”? So, they transliterated the Latin root gentilis into gentiles, >> for the Hebrew word “goy(im)” which simply means “nation(s)” and referred >> also to the Nation of Israel. (Scofield Bible uses “nation” instead of >> “gentile”). This is not specifically discussed by James Hedges, Ph.D., >> professor of English, emeritus, Azusa Pacific University, in “The Influence >> of the King James Bible on English Literature” >> (https://www.apu.edu/articles/the-influence-of-the-king-james-bible-on-english-literature/ >> >> <https://www.apu.edu/articles/the-influence-of-the-king-james-bible-on-english-literature/>. >> >> There seems to be general agreement on the following: >> 1. Judaism in a way is more intellectual than Catholicism. >> 2. Hell-threat is the worst form of terrorism >> 3. If self-expression is legit for the creature, it should be legit for the >> Creator also. Therefore the Scriptures must be taken literally. >> 4. Mixing religion with State is blasphemous >> 5. The concept of “ontological real matter” is magical thinking, like the >> Vitalism of “the biologist some century ago”). Theology is contrary to >> science and religion, causing social schizophrenia. >> 1. Judaism is ill-defined and misrepresented these days by the academics. >> The word “Jew” appears for the first time in 2Kings16:6 (~550 BC) with the >> Assyrian captivity of Israel (Northern Kingdom) followed 136 years later of >> Judah (Southern Kingdom) by the Babylonian exile {2 Kings 17:7-8: "All this >> took place because the Israelites had rebelled against the LORD [YHWH, >> singular] their God [Elohim, uni-plural echad], who had brought them up out >> of Egypt from under the power of Pharaoh king of Egypt. They worshiped other >> gods and followed the practices of the nations [goim, foreigners, >> heathen]…..” Traditional Judaism (of Rabbi Yeshua’s days) is Talmudic >> (Babylonian), not Tanakhic (Mosaic, Prophetic). For example, “Love your >> neighbor” (Lev 19:18) is Tanakhic “and hate your enemy” is Talmudic (aka >> Traditions, Qumran sect taught: “Bear unremitting hatred towards all men of >> ill repute, Manual of Discipline ix, 21-26). In Matthew 5:43 the Rabbi >> Yeshua Hamashiach corrects the “Traditions”. It is difficult to define >> Modern Judaism—the more Orthodox, the closer to Talmud, the more Reformed >> the lesser to Tanakh and to Talmud!! >> 2. Hell-threat? That depends on what the hell, Hell is!! The WAMP culture >> is ignorant of the Protoevangelium—vicarious death of the Testator who >> pronounced the Sentence of death in Genesis 3:15, which is expounded by >> Rabbi Saul of Tarsus in the letter to the Romans chapter five, where the >> sentence is mediated by the Sentenser and risen again from the dead. Those >> who willingly accept that mediated cancellation will be with the Risen >> Testator (Hebrews 9:16) and those who willfully reject it will continue to >> be where they always wanted to be—away from the Risen Sentenser. >> That is no threat. It is a fact, both historical and historic. >> Otherwise the early Christians (their numbers recorded in the Acts are 12, >> 120, 500, 3000, 50000, then multitudes both men and women) who were 100% >> Jewish, could not have “gathered”/synagogue for Communion on the First Day >> of the Week (Acts 20: 7) instead of the inflexible Seventh Day (which has >> only a Tanakhian reason and no astronomical or terrestrial basis, such as >> for the month, year and 24-hour day). It must also be noted that there is no >> mention in the New Testament of a Sadducee convert (the Liberal, Jewish >> version of Hellenist Epicurean). They were very orthodox, Pharisaical. >> 3. Self-expression if at all real, must first have a real “self” first-- >> identical/eidetic to the visible body to avoid global dissonance. And if >> “self” is real—a big if for the science of observations-- but invisible, >> the only candidate now available is bio dark-matter with bio dark-matter >> chemistry (i.e. chemical bonds which are spin governed particle >> configurations of Duets & Octets). Such information was not available for >> Aristotle or Augustine of Hippo or Descartes). “Self” is then the >> nonelectric, nonentropic extraordinary bio dark-matter twin cocreated with >> the electric, entropic ordinary body at the moment of conception. One refers >> to Ordinary Materialism (Physicalism) and the other to Extraordinary >> Materialism (Physicalism). The WAMP is silent!! Dumbfounded? Discomfited? >> Self-conscious? >> This may have some relevance to item # 2 above: “Upon decoupling, the >> unenergized (unregenerated), non-entropic bio dark-matter bodies co-created >> at the moment of conception will be lost in their abodes of the dark-matter >> realms (black holes), by their own willful choice. Adapted from "Ten >> Implications of Bio Dark-Matter Chemistry"(ResearchGate). >> 4. Comingling religion with the State is not germane in the 5-Sola >> post-Reformation West. Liberal/Progressive/Socialist/Marxist paganism is >> originally and almost uniquely a Western phenomenon. It started with the >> Protestant segment of Germany, perhaps the pagan philosopher Friedrich >> Nietzsche paved the way (this pagan philosopher’s family was a stronghold of >> Lutheran <https://www.britannica.com/topic/Lutheranism> piety, his father >> and both paternal & maternal grandfathers were leading Lutheran pastors. If >> Germany had come under Jihadism (≠ Jihad), which was too close, there was >> little or no probability of him being not a Jihadist fundamentalist (as some >> Indian scholars were during 1000 years of Jihadist plunder, and some >> Spaniard scholars were during 800 years of Jihadist rule (≠ Jihad) >> facilitated by the Unitarian Arianism). >> Conversely, the blasphemy is in the quarantine and cauterization of >> foundational principles of Augustinian Western Civilization which had as its >> cornerstone the replacement of the Aristotelian Uncaused First Cause, the >> Unmoved (Prime) Mover, with the Prophetic/Apostolic Adonai YHWH (singular) >> Elohim (uni-plural). Rabbi Saul of Tarsus had already dealt with the >> Athenian “Unknown god”, as recorded by the Greek physician Luke in Acts >> 17:23 around 60 AD. >> This Church State Separation was made into the stare decisis >> American juridical lingo by the KKK Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black >> (https://www.americanheritage.com/hugo-black-and-kkk >> <https://www.americanheritage.com/hugo-black-and-kkk>) who was against >> supporting Catholic Schools vis-à-vis the Public Schools which were for all >> practical purposes (5-Sola) Protestant Schools (American founding population >> being: >98.8% Protestant, <1% Catholic, <0.2% Jewish). >> America is a product of two great historical events known as the >> Two Great Awakenings. It is not a creation of WAMP-erial Revolutions. These >> are individual quickening ( to quote the Quakers & Shakers) on a massive >> scale. Those quickened (regenerated) consciousnesses prevented a French type >> or Russian type Revolution in America. That is true of Great Britain also >> where the Wesleyan Revivals saved the Nation from anarchy. A Third Great >> Awakening is the only way out of the present malaise produced by >> socialist/Marxist/fascist Progressive paganism (verisimilar to that of the >> evolutionists-- socialist pagan Hitler, Marxist pagan Stalin etc.). Brunel >> University’s finding (see below) that socialism is for “losers” and the >> physically “week”, is true also for the misinformed and mentally deficient. >> >> 5: Theology began as the Queen of Science, not “contrary to science causing >> social schizophrenia”, because in order to get admitted into Theology one >> had to be highly qualified in all known sciences and humanities. The 5-Sola >> Augustinian Reformers continued the same traditions, only they wanted mass >> education (facilitated by the Gutenberg printing press), instead of >> restricting it to the clergy and royalty/nobility. Today things are very >> different, though some Seminaries still insist on scholarship. >> There certainly is a difference between Religion and Theology. >> Systematic Theology from the protoevangelium of Genesis to its consummation >> in Revelation, center around the Messianic Redemption. The Biblical >> hermeneutics is: The Text; the Context; Scripture interpreting Scripture; >> Messiah-centrism. An example is Jesus’ sermon at the Nazareth Synagogue >> recorded by the Greek Physician in Luke 4:14-30. Jesus stops the reading of >> the Text at “the vengeance” because the context is the First Advent, not the >> Second. In Luke 24:27 & 44 Jesus begins at Moses, all the Prophets and >> Psalms, expounding to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning >> Himself. >> There is an erroneous notion spread abroad by the New Agers that >> Jesus was gone to the Eastern mystics during the “silent years” to learn >> mysticism and occultism. “As His custom was” in Luke 4: 16 refutes, rebukes >> and invalidates such speculations. “Customs of the East” (Isaiah 2:6), said >> Isaiah the stateman prophet, eventually led to the Babylonian Captivity. >> It must be noted that Organic Chemistry & Vitalism were coined by >> the Swedish Physician-chemist-pharmacist Berzelius, among many other of his >> important scientific discoveries. Wohler’s accidental discovery of urea by >> heating ammonium cyanate in the German laboratory changed the course of >> chemistry. Biology did not play any role at all, as is alluded in these >> misinformed posts. >> Evidentialist >> Philip Benjamin >> CC. Prof. James Hedges; >> Definition of WAMP. The self-righteous, grubering, intolerant >> WAMP-the-Ingrate = Western Acade-Media Paganism (parody of WASP). Academedia >> (acade-media): The monstrous double headed hybrid of a small minority of all >> academics including seminarians and a large majority of all media including >> the Hollywood, with no-question-asked Marxist-like authoritarianism as their >> modus operandi. Based on the works of Rabbi Daniel Lapin, Ben Stein, Victor >> Mordecai, ex-Marxist David Horowitz >> >> When decoupled at death the bio dark-matter body will be relatively at a >> negative energy state by -E = mC^2 where m is the dead body mass. That will >> be the magnitude of the threshold external energy needed to raise the bio >> dark matter body to any functional state (Physical resurrection for >> example). <>In an early termination of pregnancy in humans, a durable and >> precocial bio dark-matter twin, co-created at the moment of conception, can >> survive the altricial light-matter twin. >> >> Adapted from "Ten Implications of Bio Dark-Matter Chemistry >> <>"(ResearchGate) and "Spiritual Body or Physical Spirit" Sunbury Press, by >> Philip Benjamin PhD MSc MA >> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/282154962_Bio_dark-Matter_Chemistry_Implications >> >> <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.researchgate.net%2Fpublication%2F282154962_Bio_dark-Matter_Chemistry_Implications&data=02%7C01%7C%7C13edb314d06a4c75aa8908d68dd6f642%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636852351721925645&sdata=0MoG5LbT1O9jDWxZesqIwFehJJdXUSyBjlhu9FVV7gU%3D&reserved=0> >> >> https://www.researchgate.net/post/Is_spirit_our_energy_Is_spirit_dark_energy >> <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.researchgate.net%2Fpost%2FIs_spirit_our_energy_Is_spirit_dark_energy&data=02%7C01%7C%7C13edb314d06a4c75aa8908d68dd6f642%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636852351721935644&sdata=YouGhNSGbFsgokwTWC%2BwvBGTCZgTazQwuViYJo9erLk%3D&reserved=0> >> A Caveat: WAMP is no match for Jihadism (≠ Jihad) which brutalized India for >> one thousand years, Spain and other European nations for 300-800 years, all >> of Middle East, a chunk of East Europe and inhumanly vanquished the >> Christian Byzantines etc. Had it not been for the British Empire (the >> vastest, greatest, mightiest, noblest ever--not perfect), the whole world >> would have been under Jihadism by now and the self-righteous grubering >> WAMP-the-Ingrate would never ever have seen the light of day. >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Notes: >> National Economics Editorial (NEE) >> https://nationaleconomicseditorial.com/2017/05/25/weak-men-prefer-socialism/ >> <https://nationaleconomicseditorial.com/2017/05/25/weak-men-prefer-socialism/> >> >> https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/07/are-socialists-physically-weak/533787/ >> >> <https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/07/are-socialists-physically-weak/533787/> >> https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/weak-men-more-likely-to-be-socialists-study-claims-rsnc3l8mk >> May 24,2017 >> <https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/weak-men-more-likely-to-be-socialists-study-claims-rsnc3l8mk%20May%2024,2017>. >> >> After assessing 171 men for how buff they were, academics from Brunel >> University, concluded: “Researcher Michael Price suggests that the results >> can be explained using the logic of evolutionary psychology: This is about >> our Stone Age brains, in a modern society. Our minds evolved in environments >> where strength was a big determinant of success. If you find yourself in a >> body not threatened by other males, if you feel you can win competitions for >> status, then maybe you start thinking that inequality is pretty good. >> Basically, Price says that if you’re a winner, you like being free to win. >> Meanwhile, if you’re a loser, your best chance at reproductive success is to >> mooch off someone successful—every king, or great warrior, always had a >> large retinue of servants”. >> [Lawrence Crowell] Google Groups >> May 24, 2019. “My religious background is Judaism and Catholicism. I ended >> up choosing Judaism, simply because it is in a way more intellectual,..” >> [Bruno Marchal] May 23—May 29, 2019 Google Groups >> May 25, 2019. “To claim that someone will go to hell if it does not obey to >> some humans (cling to represent God) is the worst act of terrorism possible”. >> [Samiya Illias] Google Groups >> May 23, 2019 “I believe that the God who created me and granted me the >> ability to speak and express my self is capable of expressing and >> communicating perfectly, and thus the scriptures must be taken literally”. >> [Bruno Marchal] >> May 23, 2019 . “To mix religion and state, or the spiritual with the >> terrestrial, seems to me to be already blasphemous’. >> May 24, 2019. Also much of these things involve magical thinking. >> OK. But with mechanism, the concept of “ontological real matter” becomes >> magical thinking, like the Vitalism of the biologist some century ago. >> The problem of not letting theology in science is that it confines it in >> tradition which will opposed science and religion, leading to a social >> schizophrenia. >> May 27, 2019 “Personally I think that Christianity has ended in 529, going >> from the open dialog to pure argument per-authority. The same for Islam, as >> a genuine religion, it ceased to exist after 1248, for similar reason”. >> >> >> Bruno Marchal >> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2019 5:53 AM [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: Allah: the One and >> Only Deity >> >> >> On 24 May 2019, at 02:00, Lawrence Crowell <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> On Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 6:08:11 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 5/23/2019 3:37 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> The Torah, Tanach and to a degree as I understand the Christian New >> Testament are mythic narratives meant to bring meaning to various aspects of >> inner mental space or psychology. >> >> I think you impute to much cleverness there. A lot it is, or was, intended >> as real history providing both provenance and justification for whatever >> ethics was being pushed at the time. >> >> Brent >> >> The writers of these narratives were rather clever. These are done in a >> literary "shape-shifter" fashion so that they can be interpreted in a wide >> range of ways. The book of Exodus, or Shemot (שְׁמוֹת) in Hebrew Shem = name >> and Shemot is plural or means the list of names, has the children of Israel >> leave Egypt (Mitzrayim) in the narrow place (Mezaryim), narrow in one >> meaning because of the Nile. They are lead to the Red Sea where the water is >> separated and crash, where red is symbolic of blood. Also remember one of >> the plagues on Egypt was the Nile turned to blood. This is a birth motif, >> and certainly one message is this is a metaphor for the birth of Israel. The >> Torah is packed full of this sort of thing, and it involves a lot of word >> play. >> >> This is not to say there are not literal meanings as well, which in >> different ages are rather different. The American conservative Protestant >> idea about Christianity is a peculiar redaction on the whole meaning. I >> can't say about the Koran and what Islamic scholars think. It is not a >> subject I have delved into, nor am I ever likely to. Samiya has posted some >> curious stuff that equates Koranic passages with meaning about atoms and at >> one time if I recall about the Higgs boson. So the writers there were clever >> enough to make the narratives and poetry shift metaphors and retranslate >> meaning into different forms as the world learns and matures. It really is >> one reason these scriptures have remained so culturally and socially >> powerful for many centuries. >> >> My religious background is Judaism and Catholicism. I ended up choosing >> Judaism, simply because it is in a way more intellectual, it is more fun, >> and Catholicism has it perks here and there but it is also rather grave and >> grey. I generally consider myself quite agnostic about the idea of an >> infinite disembodied entity that created and controls everything. The idea >> simply runs into contradictions. I can still go to the minion, where it is >> the same reason the fiddler stays on the roof (Issac B Singer) --- >> tradition. If I were Catholic instead I think it would be the same thing. >> >> >> With Mechanism, the infinite disembodied entity that creates and controls >> everything is what the logician call “the standard model of arithmetic”, >> which is the same thing as the arithmetic taught in high school. >> >> Personally I think that christianity has ended in 529, going from the open >> dialog to pure argument per-authority. The same for Islam, as a genuine >> religion, it ceased to exist after 1248, for similar reason. >> Maimonides seems to have helped the jews to not fall in christian and Muslim >> traps, although the Orthodox Jews does it, but without the felt necessity to >> impose this to non-jews. >> >> Note, that christians and muslims have kept a bit of their initial >> platonism, and have sub school or internal dissident at all period, trying >> to get back to reason. >> >> When the anglican theologian tried to bring back reason in theology, notably >> on the trinitarian/unionist problem, they created mathematical logic. (Cf >> the book by Daniel J. 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