On 5/31/2019 1:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 30 May 2019, at 19:48, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
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On 5/30/2019 12:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Mathematicians homogeninize the concept. Even strong atheism is a theology as
it claims that “there is no God”, which is a theological proposition.
That is a misrepresentation of atheism. Atheists claim "there is no reason
believe there is a God”.
Yes, but they believe only in the post 529 Aristotelian-Christian notion of God.
As Bertrand Russell noted, there is no fixed meaning to "God". It is a
notion appropriated by every ideology to provide unquestionable support.
Then I am atheist too.
But if you read the “Element of Theology” by Proclus, you can see that during a
millenium, theology was a branch of scientific research. And I use “god” in
that original sense.
And what science did Proclus produce? The efficacy of magic rituals?
/Theurgy is possible because the powers of the gods (the henads) extend
through their series of causation even down to the material world. And
by certain power-laden words, acts, and objects, the soul can be drawn
back up the series, so to speak. Proclus himself was a devotee of many
of the religions in Athens, considering that the power of the gods could
be present in these various approaches.
/Brent/
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With that definition, atheism does no more make sense or become a form of
nihilism or irrationalism, as God is defined by whatever is the reason why we
are here and now, and that we search.
Now, I have decided to stop using the nuance “agnostic atheism” and “non
agnostic atheism”, and use instead agnosticism and atheism instead, as all
self)called atheist I ahem met believes in physicalism, consciously or not, and
most of them even believe that God des not exist, which is far different that
not believing in God.
Brent
"Atheism is a belief system the way "Off" is a TV channel."
--- George Carlin
That is what they claim in theory, but in practice that is not the case, given
that they fight on all theologies, not just the christian one. They dismiss a
millenium of progress in the filed (read Proclus!) and they defend exactly the
same metaphysics than christians. Atheism is, in absolute value, the same as
christianism, but in a radical form.
Bruno
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