On Tuesday, June 4, 2019 at 9:55:51 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 3 Jun 2019, at 14:24, John Clark <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 5:18 AM Bruno Marchal <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > > > *you have espoused the theology of Aristotle, which is based on the act >> of faith* >> > > Congratulations, you have now repeated that exact same schoolyard insult > (6.02*10^23) *+1* times, you've broken through the mole barrier! > > > There is no insult. The theology of Aristotle is the theology which > assumes that there is an ontological physical universe. You have invoked it > repeatedly in many post. > > > >> > *Mathematicians have been wrong on the harmonic series (1+1/2+1/3+…) >> for 18 centuries. It is a catholic abbe, Oresme, who solved the problem in >> the 16th/17th century, illustrating that the neoplatonist idea that >> theology is very close to mathematics* >> > > If a professional insurance salesman discovers a new comet with his > backyard hobby telescope does that mean insurance is very close to > astronomy? I guess for you it does mean that, after all you said atheism is > just a slight variation of Christianity and believe my saying Aristotle was > the worst physicist who ever lived means I have embraced Aristotle's > ideas as an act of faith. > > > The physics is wrong, which is nice as it means that Aristotle was clear > enough to be shown wrong. > > Then its theology, that you embrace, is wrong too when we assume > Mechanism, and testable too, although this needs Church-Turing, Gödel, etc. > > Unlike Philip Thrift and Penrose, you seems to assume both materialism and > mechanism, which is very close to the base of christianity, which assumes a > creation (a physical material universe, like you) and a principle of > self-finiteness (like with Mechanism). > > Yet, Materialism/physicalism and Mechanism are incompatible. > > ... > Bruno > > I think this is the first time my name and Roger Penrose's appear in the same sentence. :)
I think Penrose and I are in the same ballpark and on the same team, but with different positions. @philipthrift -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/e3de1cc8-585c-461e-b431-bd8828365842%40googlegroups.com.
