> On 4 Jun 2019, at 18:10, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 10:55 AM Bruno Marchal <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > Unlike Philip Thrift and Penrose, you seems to assume both materialism and > > mechanism, > > Well according to you "I have defined mechanism by the idea that we can > survive with a digital (universal) machine at the place of the brain", so by > that definition I am a believer in mechanism.
OK. > Materialism means nothing exists except matter and its movements Everyone believe in matter. But Materialism assumes that we cannot explain Matter from anything else. So it assumes that some matter or primary physical object have to be assumed in a theory of everything. Materialism is just a popular variant of physicalism. > and modifications, and yes I believe in that too although it often more > appropriate to speak at a higher level; when I say "I've changed my mind" I > mean I've changed my brain which means I've changed my neurons which means > I've changed my molecules which means I've changed the velocity and position > of my atoms. But it's usually better to just say I've changed my mind. > > >Yet, Materialism/physicalism and Mechanism are incompatible. > > The thing that's incompatible is the referent for the personal pronouns used > in your convoluted thought experiments. You told me this a billions times (so to speak), but each time you have erased the 1p and 3p distinction which were the key point to grasp to get the thought experiment right, I’m afraid. If you reject the first person indeterminacy, it is up to you to provide an argument such that the guy in Helsinki is able to predict the first person experience that *he* will lived, as a first person, that is defined indexically in both places (Washington and Moscow) given that we have already agree that he survived at both place, but from the first person indexical way. Of course that is impossible, but that is the point of the first person indeterminacy. Despite the Helsinki guy survived with P = 1, neither P(W/H), nor P(M/H) is equal to one, as both first persons indexically confirms in their diary after the experience. Bruno > > John K Clark > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv04SgWT%2BUQwsQMAWLS36Lgk3yA-wRf8yojugv_eUPtMOg%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv04SgWT%2BUQwsQMAWLS36Lgk3yA-wRf8yojugv_eUPtMOg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/E8E64B09-7633-4EC8-9E36-F27736D1A90D%40ulb.ac.be.
