On Sunday, June 16, 2019 at 10:10:14 AM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Sunday, June 16, 2019 at 9:58:37 AM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, June 16, 2019 at 9:45:21 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 15 Jun 2019, at 19:37, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 12:10:48 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 6/15/2019 12:29 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >>>> >>>> I've basically lived my life believing what I want, I think. >>>> I'm not trying to *convince* anyone of anything. >>>> >>>> One thing I might try to convince people of: >>>> >>>> *Physics is fiction.* >>>> >>>> Vic Stenger would have said "Physics is models". >>>> >>>> There are always alternative models, and new ones likely coming in the >>>> future. >>>> >>>> To find *reality in a model* (to make truth claims in the vocabulary >>>> of a model) is a form of religious fundamentalism. >>>> >>>> >>>> You say you're not trying to convince anyone of anything, but you >>>> repeatedly slap pejorative labels on other viewpoints. You use them like >>>> Trump uses nick names. I avoids actually making an argument against them >>>> while disparaging them. >>>> >>>> So in this specific instance: Where do you look for reality? Or do you >>>> suppose there is no reality. If you trained a neural network so that it >>>> could produce all the predictions about physics problems that the >>>> community >>>> of physicists do, would it be just as good as the theories it replaces? >>>> >>>> Brent >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I don't criticize other theories. Any theory anyone want's top pursue is >>> is fine. >>> >>> It's just the Physics Gestapo I criticize. >>> >>> >>> It is not physics Gestaop. Only physicalist gestapo, or the usual >>> confusion (Aristotle basic philosophy) between physics and metaphysics, >>> which is incompatible with Mechanism. >>> >>> Bruno >>> >> >> >> >> The Physics Gestapo apparently treats lightly those who say matter comes >> out of arithmetic. :) >> >> @philipthrift >> > > I can't remember the moniker on this, but there is a signature of an email > discussion gone bad when people start invoking Nazis. There is no Gestapo > here. The problem is frankly you are most likely wrong; these sorts of > deformations of QM have a consistent history of not working. Just because > people such as Price keep banging their heads on this does not mean it is > alive --- more like beating a dead horse. Please stop using Nazi references. > > LC >
But you avoid the question. Why does, whatever you want to call them, * Physics Fundamentalists* [ those with "a point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views" -- freedictionary ] is better, go after the retrocausal people and not the many-worlds people? @philipthrift -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/28a169e5-4fa2-438c-bfd8-8c1f5c6d7c48%40googlegroups.com.
