> On 16 Jun 2019, at 16:58, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Sunday, June 16, 2019 at 9:45:21 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 15 Jun 2019, at 19:37, Philip Thrift <[email protected] <javascript:>> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 12:10:48 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 6/15/2019 12:29 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> I've basically lived my life believing what I want, I think. >>> I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. >>> >>> One thing I might try to convince people of: >>> >>> Physics is fiction. >>> >>> Vic Stenger would have said "Physics is models". >>> >>> There are always alternative models, and new ones likely coming in the >>> future. >>> >>> To find reality in a model (to make truth claims in the vocabulary of a >>> model) is a form of religious fundamentalism. >> >> You say you're not trying to convince anyone of anything, but you repeatedly >> slap pejorative labels on other viewpoints. You use them like Trump uses >> nick names. I avoids actually making an argument against them while >> disparaging them. >> >> So in this specific instance: Where do you look for reality? Or do you >> suppose there is no reality. If you trained a neural network so that it >> could produce all the predictions about physics problems that the community >> of physicists do, would it be just as good as the theories it replaces? >> >> Brent >> >> >> >> I don't criticize other theories. Any theory anyone want's top pursue is is >> fine. >> >> It's just the Physics Gestapo I criticize. > > It is not physics Gestaop. Only physicalist gestapo, or the usual confusion > (Aristotle basic philosophy) between physics and metaphysics, which is > incompatible with Mechanism. > > Bruno > > > > The Physics Gestapo apparently treats lightly those who say matter comes out > of arithmetic. :)
My work started in the very good environment, in the team of François Englert, at the time where Brout was always there, and they discovered the Higgs Boson. They were open minded, sincerely afraid of the EPR phenomenon, and my role was just to reassure them we can apply QM on large distance. I have used the Everett approach. I told them that once they use the natural numbers, “many” many” spread in all directions. My “opponents”, which I have never met, are more like pure mathematician disgusted when we apply their theories, doubly so if it is in the fundamental questions, which then have been happy such works makes the dogmatic materialist nervous. It is not always clear to distinguish genuine doubt by people, easily explained through the materialist bias of current theologian and scientist since long, from those who eventually grasp the point but fake to ignore it. Eventually it is up to you to present clearly your point, without dismissing the difficulties which are multiple at many levels. The humans are violent and susceptible, if you know a bit of his history. I would suggest you to never insult, nor take a dismissive tone or other disguised form of violence. Those are the trick of bad faith, done by people without argument. Only. Bruno > > @philipthrift > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/763f235e-470b-46d3-961f-780819e1028b%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/763f235e-470b-46d3-961f-780819e1028b%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/FB6D8080-A365-490A-A44D-969ACD4319C9%40ulb.ac.be.
