> On 19 Jun 2019, at 05:15, spudboy100 via Everything List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Oh, why not both,
OK. > especially when that defender of freedom, Zuck pushes his Libra :-) ? Zuck, and not just him, is confronted to the not easy delineation between freedom of speech and defamation. Bruno > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> > To: everything-list <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2019 5:52 am > Subject: Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity > > >> On 13 Jun 2019, at 19:19, spudboy100 via Everything List >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> wrote: >> >> Yes Bruno, back in the day, one of my college profs termed ideologies, to be >> a faith movement. > > I would say that ideologues are blind faith, or dogma. Ideas are better, but > faith is personal, and we need it to go out of bed every morning. > > >> Hence, Lysenko, Stalin, Mao, and in my view, progressivism (like Juncker, >> like Soros) push for their faith movement. > > Faith movement makes no sense, but I guess I quibble on vocabulary here. > > > >> That is my dig, but also an honest observation. As we say in the US, >> ideologists aren't playing with a full deck. > > Yes, it is “bad faith”, or just a trick to steal your money. > > Bruno > > > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> To: everything-list <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> Sent: Thu, Jun 13, 2019 7:27 am >> Subject: Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity >> >> >>> On 12 Jun 2019, at 05:09, spudboy100 via Everything List >>> <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> iI like the Pastafatians. However I am not against religion, just the >>> mentality of the fanatic. >>> Fanaticism usually means If you don't obey us, we will kill you >>> This mentality is not just hugely, seen, among the Islamists. >>> But also, their political chums, the Progressives (socialists & communists >>> who are funded by billionaires) >>> There is also, surprisingly to myself, great self-righteousness expressed >>> by this lot, in excess, of the Christian fundamentalist. >>> Beyond this, if Atheism works for you? Spectacular. If doing religious >>> craps allow one to enjoy some psycho-social activity? Splendid. >>> I do love Outre' observations by some physicists, because it permits our >>> species to break free. I mean it's physics, it's either going to work or >>> not, right? On the other hand, a gigantic budget would be required to test >>> some conjectures. >> >> Yes, the problem is not any domain per se, but the fanaticism of those who >> claim to know the truth, again, that works for any domain. >> >> But sometimes, a political authoritative regime choose some domain to make >> truth claim, like Lyssenko in USSR genetics, or like with the frequent use >> of religion by unscrupulous manipulators. >> >> People who claim not having a religion are usually people not aware of their >> hypotheses. They take something fro granted, unconsciously. It is normal, as >> we have plausibly been “programmed” in that way, for survival purposes. >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Philip Thrift <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> To: Everything List <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> Sent: Tue, Jun 11, 2019 4:07 pm >>> Subject: Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 2:31:52 PM UTC-5, [email protected] >>> <http://aol.com/> wrote: >>> "One man's theology is another man's belly laugh." -Lazarus Long aka Robert >>> Heinlein >>> >>> >>> There is a religion called Comedism: >>> >>> >>> via Steve Gimbel >>> https://www.gettysburg.edu/academic-programs/philosophy/faculty/employee_detail.dot?empId=02000322920013381&pageTitle=Steve+Gimbel >>> >>> <https://www.gettysburg.edu/academic-programs/philosophy/faculty/employee_detail.dot?empId=02000322920013381&pageTitle=Steve+Gimbel> >>> >>> >>> Comedism: The New Religion >>> Steve Gimbel >>> Professor of Philosophy, Gettysburg College >>> >>> >>> Origins >>> >>> It all started with a couple of experiences in the classroom. The first was >>> when I was teaching a night class in ethics at a local community college. I >>> was drawing the distinction between social mores and ethical precepts when >>> a students raised his hand and asked, "Steve, what are mores?" I looked at >>> him and responded, "When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie, >>> that's a more." At that moment, I realized that set ups that perfect don't >>> just happen randomly, it had to be humorous divine intervention. I had been >>> touched. >>> >>> Then a few years later, I was teaching philosophy of religion at the United >>> States Naval Academy when I had my second insight. If you want to go >>> anywhere in the religion industry these days, you have to be either Mother >>> Teresa or Pat Robertson -- and neither seemed attractive career paths. But >>> when you look at a number of those who are most exalted, they fit neither >>> model. Abraham pimps out his wife to the Egyptian army, the disciples >>> quarrel and quibble about everything. How'd these guys end up on the fast >>> track to sanctification? They figured out the trick...get in early. So I >>> realized that my only option was to start own religion. >>> >>> Pondering this, I was teaching the tradition Christian arguments for the >>> existence of God and realized that if the All-Being was to be all perfect, >>> the traditional criteria of all powerful, all loving, and all knowing were >>> insufficient...there was a perfect left out...all funny. Would you prefer >>> to be with someone who had a good sense of humor or no sense of humor? >>> Surely a perfect being would be omnihumorous! Yet nowhere in the >>> traditional scriptures of the major religions could you find any real >>> zingers. Not even a "Knocketh, Knocketh" joke. And so Comedism was born, I >>> realized it was my job to hear the calling and spread wide the funny news. >>> >>> Metaphysical Beliefs >>> >>> The basic beliefs of Comedism are not that different from other religions. >>> Life is fleeting and a test for the hereafter. Like the Buddhists, we >>> believe that on Earth you strive for a state of bodilessness. You can >>> foresee this nirvana in the sort of full out belly laugh that you get from >>> a really good joke. When you laugh so hard that your spirit is ultimately >>> joyful, but your sides ache, you can't breathe, you roll around on the >>> floor unable to stand, you realize that it is the humorous soul and not the >>> things of the body that are important. >>> >>> When you die, like Christians, we believe your soul goes up and there >>> before the pearly gates stands Saint Shecky with his big book. Each of us >>> is given a number of set ups during our life times and for all those, like >>> "that's a more," that you convert into jokes, you get one mark in the good >>> column. But then there are those you miss. Years ago, I was walking and a >>> couple looked at me strangely. Before they passed the man said to me, >>> "Didn't we just see you with a dog?" I simply reply, "I'm sorry, you must >>> have me confused with someone else." But as they were walking away, I >>> realized the correct response was to retort indignantly, "Excuse me, that >>> was my wife." I had blown a set up. It was one in the bad column. When you >>> are judged, if there are more in the good column than in the bad column, >>> you go to Comedy heaven and sit at Groucho's right hand. If there are more >>> in the missed than made column, you go to comedy hell where it is always >>> hot, water is only in dribble glasses, all the chairs have whoopee >>> cushions, and you have to watch reruns of Three's Company over and over >>> again for all of eternity. >>> >>> Ethics >>> >>> We believe that the key to acting well is understanding the nature of the >>> joke. Jokes have two parts, a set up in which a normal situation you think >>> you understand is sketched (a chicken crosses a street or the pope, a >>> rabbi, and a Viagra salesman walk into a bar) and then the punchline that >>> forces you radically rethink how you understood the world of the set up (to >>> get to the other side or at least the beer isn't flat anymore). The humor >>> exists in that moment when your brain is split, trying unsuccessfully to >>> resolve the tension between the two incompatible interpretations. The very >>> possibility of a joke presupposes that reality may always be looked at in >>> more than one way. We must see life as a great joke -- there are always >>> perspectives other than our own and we must strive to get the joke by >>> adopting other people's perspectives. As such, it is impossible for there >>> to be Comedist fundamentalists -- a fundamentalist is someone who takes a >>> literal interpretation of scripture, someone who denies that there can be >>> multiple legitimate interpretations, but this is impossible for a Comedist >>> who believes from the start that there are ALWAYS multiple interpretations >>> of everything or else it wouldn't be funny. >>> >>> We believe in spreading joy. We believe in overcoming pride through >>> self-deprecation. We believe through the symbol of the banana peal that >>> nature provides and must be protected. We believe in gay marriage because >>> "take my civilly united domestic partner" really screws up the timing. We >>> believe that April 1st is the holiest day of the year. And we believe that >>> Cosmic Comedist has revealed the universal joke in our Holy Skripture, the >>> Comedist Manifesto (well, at least that he will since I haven't gotten >>> around to writing most of it anyway). >>> >>> All you have to do to join is to sing the chorus the next time it comes >>> around...with feelin'. Comedism is a simple religion to convert to, just >>> say you are in and you are. And remember, if you get in early, fast-track >>> to sainthood... >>> >>> Live, love, and laugh, >>> >>> Irreverend Steve >>> >>> >>> @philipthrift >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/c2d6c124-1c8e-481a-9dbb-c1e02f89fbf8%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/c2d6c124-1c8e-481a-9dbb-c1e02f89fbf8%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1274680506.1857748.1560308970676%40mail.yahoo.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1274680506.1857748.1560308970676%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/EB32C68A-8D3A-4058-95A9-665052065FB8%40ulb.ac.be >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/EB32C68A-8D3A-4058-95A9-665052065FB8%40ulb.ac.be?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/183673540.849811.1560446374185%40mail.yahoo.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/183673540.849811.1560446374185%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/86731DBC-2B2E-4DD2-A49C-72CD5B139A36%40ulb.ac.be > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/86731DBC-2B2E-4DD2-A49C-72CD5B139A36%40ulb.ac.be?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/207879143.3207548.1560914158542%40mail.yahoo.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/207879143.3207548.1560914158542%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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