> On 13 Jun 2019, at 19:19, spudboy100 via Everything List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yes Bruno, back in the day, one of my college profs termed ideologies, to be > a faith movement.
I would say that ideologues are blind faith, or dogma. Ideas are better, but faith is personal, and we need it to go out of bed every morning. > Hence, Lysenko, Stalin, Mao, and in my view, progressivism (like Juncker, > like Soros) push for their faith movement. Faith movement makes no sense, but I guess I quibble on vocabulary here. > That is my dig, but also an honest observation. As we say in the US, > ideologists aren't playing with a full deck. Yes, it is “bad faith”, or just a trick to steal your money. Bruno > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> > To: everything-list <[email protected]> > Sent: Thu, Jun 13, 2019 7:27 am > Subject: Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity > > >> On 12 Jun 2019, at 05:09, spudboy100 via Everything List >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> wrote: >> >> iI like the Pastafatians. However I am not against religion, just the >> mentality of the fanatic. >> Fanaticism usually means If you don't obey us, we will kill you >> This mentality is not just hugely, seen, among the Islamists. >> But also, their political chums, the Progressives (socialists & communists >> who are funded by billionaires) >> There is also, surprisingly to myself, great self-righteousness expressed by >> this lot, in excess, of the Christian fundamentalist. >> Beyond this, if Atheism works for you? Spectacular. If doing religious craps >> allow one to enjoy some psycho-social activity? Splendid. >> I do love Outre' observations by some physicists, because it permits our >> species to break free. I mean it's physics, it's either going to work or >> not, right? On the other hand, a gigantic budget would be required to test >> some conjectures. > > Yes, the problem is not any domain per se, but the fanaticism of those who > claim to know the truth, again, that works for any domain. > > But sometimes, a political authoritative regime choose some domain to make > truth claim, like Lyssenko in USSR genetics, or like with the frequent use of > religion by unscrupulous manipulators. > > People who claim not having a religion are usually people not aware of their > hypotheses. They take something fro granted, unconsciously. It is normal, as > we have plausibly been “programmed” in that way, for survival purposes. > > Bruno > > > >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Philip Thrift <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> To: Everything List <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> Sent: Tue, Jun 11, 2019 4:07 pm >> Subject: Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 2:31:52 PM UTC-5, [email protected] >> <http://aol.com/> wrote: >> "One man's theology is another man's belly laugh." -Lazarus Long aka Robert >> Heinlein >> >> >> There is a religion called Comedism: >> >> >> via Steve Gimbel >> https://www.gettysburg.edu/academic-programs/philosophy/faculty/employee_detail.dot?empId=02000322920013381&pageTitle=Steve+Gimbel >> >> <https://www.gettysburg.edu/academic-programs/philosophy/faculty/employee_detail.dot?empId=02000322920013381&pageTitle=Steve+Gimbel> >> >> >> Comedism: The New Religion >> Steve Gimbel >> Professor of Philosophy, Gettysburg College >> >> >> Origins >> >> It all started with a couple of experiences in the classroom. The first was >> when I was teaching a night class in ethics at a local community college. I >> was drawing the distinction between social mores and ethical precepts when a >> students raised his hand and asked, "Steve, what are mores?" I looked at him >> and responded, "When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a >> more." At that moment, I realized that set ups that perfect don't just >> happen randomly, it had to be humorous divine intervention. I had been >> touched. >> >> Then a few years later, I was teaching philosophy of religion at the United >> States Naval Academy when I had my second insight. If you want to go >> anywhere in the religion industry these days, you have to be either Mother >> Teresa or Pat Robertson -- and neither seemed attractive career paths. But >> when you look at a number of those who are most exalted, they fit neither >> model. Abraham pimps out his wife to the Egyptian army, the disciples >> quarrel and quibble about everything. How'd these guys end up on the fast >> track to sanctification? They figured out the trick...get in early. So I >> realized that my only option was to start own religion. >> >> Pondering this, I was teaching the tradition Christian arguments for the >> existence of God and realized that if the All-Being was to be all perfect, >> the traditional criteria of all powerful, all loving, and all knowing were >> insufficient...there was a perfect left out...all funny. Would you prefer to >> be with someone who had a good sense of humor or no sense of humor? Surely a >> perfect being would be omnihumorous! Yet nowhere in the traditional >> scriptures of the major religions could you find any real zingers. Not even >> a "Knocketh, Knocketh" joke. And so Comedism was born, I realized it was my >> job to hear the calling and spread wide the funny news. >> >> Metaphysical Beliefs >> >> The basic beliefs of Comedism are not that different from other religions. >> Life is fleeting and a test for the hereafter. Like the Buddhists, we >> believe that on Earth you strive for a state of bodilessness. You can >> foresee this nirvana in the sort of full out belly laugh that you get from a >> really good joke. When you laugh so hard that your spirit is ultimately >> joyful, but your sides ache, you can't breathe, you roll around on the floor >> unable to stand, you realize that it is the humorous soul and not the things >> of the body that are important. >> >> When you die, like Christians, we believe your soul goes up and there before >> the pearly gates stands Saint Shecky with his big book. Each of us is given >> a number of set ups during our life times and for all those, like "that's a >> more," that you convert into jokes, you get one mark in the good column. But >> then there are those you miss. Years ago, I was walking and a couple looked >> at me strangely. Before they passed the man said to me, "Didn't we just see >> you with a dog?" I simply reply, "I'm sorry, you must have me confused with >> someone else." But as they were walking away, I realized the correct >> response was to retort indignantly, "Excuse me, that was my wife." I had >> blown a set up. It was one in the bad column. When you are judged, if there >> are more in the good column than in the bad column, you go to Comedy heaven >> and sit at Groucho's right hand. If there are more in the missed than made >> column, you go to comedy hell where it is always hot, water is only in >> dribble glasses, all the chairs have whoopee cushions, and you have to watch >> reruns of Three's Company over and over again for all of eternity. >> >> Ethics >> >> We believe that the key to acting well is understanding the nature of the >> joke. Jokes have two parts, a set up in which a normal situation you think >> you understand is sketched (a chicken crosses a street or the pope, a rabbi, >> and a Viagra salesman walk into a bar) and then the punchline that forces >> you radically rethink how you understood the world of the set up (to get to >> the other side or at least the beer isn't flat anymore). The humor exists in >> that moment when your brain is split, trying unsuccessfully to resolve the >> tension between the two incompatible interpretations. The very possibility >> of a joke presupposes that reality may always be looked at in more than one >> way. We must see life as a great joke -- there are always perspectives other >> than our own and we must strive to get the joke by adopting other people's >> perspectives. As such, it is impossible for there to be Comedist >> fundamentalists -- a fundamentalist is someone who takes a literal >> interpretation of scripture, someone who denies that there can be multiple >> legitimate interpretations, but this is impossible for a Comedist who >> believes from the start that there are ALWAYS multiple interpretations of >> everything or else it wouldn't be funny. >> >> We believe in spreading joy. We believe in overcoming pride through >> self-deprecation. We believe through the symbol of the banana peal that >> nature provides and must be protected. We believe in gay marriage because >> "take my civilly united domestic partner" really screws up the timing. We >> believe that April 1st is the holiest day of the year. And we believe that >> Cosmic Comedist has revealed the universal joke in our Holy Skripture, the >> Comedist Manifesto (well, at least that he will since I haven't gotten >> around to writing most of it anyway). >> >> All you have to do to join is to sing the chorus the next time it comes >> around...with feelin'. Comedism is a simple religion to convert to, just say >> you are in and you are. And remember, if you get in early, fast-track to >> sainthood... >> >> Live, love, and laugh, >> >> Irreverend Steve >> >> >> @philipthrift >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/c2d6c124-1c8e-481a-9dbb-c1e02f89fbf8%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/c2d6c124-1c8e-481a-9dbb-c1e02f89fbf8%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1274680506.1857748.1560308970676%40mail.yahoo.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1274680506.1857748.1560308970676%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/EB32C68A-8D3A-4058-95A9-665052065FB8%40ulb.ac.be > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/EB32C68A-8D3A-4058-95A9-665052065FB8%40ulb.ac.be?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/183673540.849811.1560446374185%40mail.yahoo.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/183673540.849811.1560446374185%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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