> On 6 Jul 2019, at 16:17, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 8:48:42 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > ... the "Löbian machine" idea can not help anyone understand anything. > > > "Löbian machines" (or "theorem provers") are a key technology at MIRI [ > http://intelligence.org ]: > > http://intelligence.org/files/lob-notes-IAFF.pdf > https://intelligence.org/files/TilingAgentsDraft.pdf > ... > > > I believe in technology, not theology. :)
No scientist believe in the theology using dogma, but is is worse to remember that science is born from the neoplatonic theology, which use no dogma, no revelation, but recognise the reports of experience, and try to figure out what all that means. If you believe in technology, you certainly believe that something makes that technology possible, and the search for what is that something is theology, in the large sense of scientists and philosophers (and only incidentally related to the meaning in the dogmatic pseudo-religion). In the old tribe cultures, religion is when you have a mystical experience, and this is provided at the age when passing from kids to adult, by diverse means (like the use of ibogaine by the bwiti is central Africa since apparently 20.000 years), and this provokes a sort of near death experience helping the young to abandon the belief in the aiutoroity of they parents or of anyone). Religion is a tool to free people from all authoritative argument, but that is also the reason why the disctoriship have to own the religion, and have to make it uncriticizable/dogmatic. Of course, whet they get is not religion, but anti-religion. When a dictatorship appropriates a science/religion, it makes it into a pseudoscience/religion. When a religion adopt dogma, it is not really a religion anymore. Nobody needs to believe in any particular god to do theology. On the contrary, to do theology with the scientific doubting attitude, you must be able to doubt any notion of gods, including the impersonal gods like most fundamental metaphysical notion, like Matter, or the Tao, etc. Bruno > > @philipthrift > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/0cc4c471-5ce6-4e5e-808c-31d24e076f27%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/0cc4c471-5ce6-4e5e-808c-31d24e076f27%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/771A2B89-AB44-45DF-9CE9-4B4D230357C0%40ulb.ac.be.
