> On 2 Jul 2019, at 12:26, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Le mar. 2 juil. 2019 à 12:20, John Clark <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> a écrit : > On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 1:32 AM Philip Thrift <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > Physics (language) could be replaced by computer code > > But the computer won't be replaced by computer code, software is useless > without hardware. > > John K Clark > > > What is strange with you wanting necessary primary matter is that you accept > that your consciousness can be implemented in a computer, right ? But then, > you could be put in a virtual reality as in The matrix... in the matrix, > there are "physical computers" that run "codes"... but those computers are in > fact not "material", there part of the simulated world... if you're living in > the matrix, you're not using real *material* computer... and you can't know > you're in a simulated environment, why insisting there exist a bottom "really > real" material world ? aka primary/ontological matter ?
Yes, why insisting on this, especially when we know that if we believe in prime numbers, or things like that, we have to believe in the existence of all computations, and not just the existence of them, but also in their highly redundant structure which does not depend on the choice of the universal base. It is up to believer in God or Matter to explain what they mean by that, and how that could play a role in pur consciousness, but of course, if they succeed doing that, such a matter or god will play a role, and will throw doubt about the “yes doctor qua computatio”. It will be like the Catholic guy who say yes to the doctor, but only if the artificial brain is first blessed with Holy Water by some priest. That is no more computationalism: that is computationalism + magical thinking. Bruno > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv36kBg9AHSqT1H%3D8oS04XJ-EE2USMeA2UOotvCByg%2BYXQ%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv36kBg9AHSqT1H%3D8oS04XJ-EE2USMeA2UOotvCByg%2BYXQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > > > -- > All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy Batty/Rutger > Hauer) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAMW2kAoZF406-pxAnazw7c8aK-8GOxNSeb7NCidoNyS-9gd8QA%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAMW2kAoZF406-pxAnazw7c8aK-8GOxNSeb7NCidoNyS-9gd8QA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/564425F7-E715-43BA-AB29-04EE8415AEDF%40ulb.ac.be.
