> On 16 Jul 2019, at 19:37, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
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> On 7/16/2019 3:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>> The consciousness of the universal machine is timeless, and spaceless. It is 
>> somehow 100% unfocused, without any attention, and it might plausibly be 
>> related to the highly dissociative state that some people seemed to describe 
>> in experience with some drug. 
> 
> And yet you have to ask me how it is that your definition of consciousness 
> does not comport with my experience of it??

You are right. I have to ask you exactly that.

It would have helped if  you could have been more specific.

Which one of the quasi-axioms does not met your experience?

1) Do you think it is false to be conscious for a conscious entity?

Or

2) Do you think it is false that consciousness is (immediately, without asking 
an intellectual effort) knowable?

Or

3) Do you think it is false that consciousness is not definable (without 
mentioning truth or god, …)

Or 

4) Do you think it is false that a conscious entity cannot prove or justify 
rationally that it is conscious?

Or

5) Do you think that something important about consciousness is missing?

Bruno




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