On 7/20/2019 3:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 19 Jul 2019, at 22:48, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
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On 7/19/2019 12:33 AM, Philip Thrift wrote:
"I’m happy to be described as a monist. There aren’t multiple
different kinds of things; *there is only the wave function of the
universe*. As an emergent approximation it’s useful to characterize
the wave function as describing /multiple worlds/."
So for Sean Carroll, reality is a mathematical entity: a wave function.
At least Thales believed in stuff (matter).
"Stuff" is sufficiently vague that the wave-function could qualify as
"stuff". The contentious question seems to be where conscious
thoughts fall in the ontology. Are they processes realized by stuff
(Vic), or do they exist in a separate Platonic real(Bruno),
Elementary arithmetic is that realm, and I ask you: how it could be
separated, and mostly: from what?
From others metaphysical ontologies: materialism, idealism, theism,...
From your irreducible material universe in which you seem to believe?
Where did I say "irreducible"? I'm not in the belief business. I'm in
the finding out business.
Why invoke such a thing.
I didn't invoke anything. I just attempted to clarify the different
theories at play.
It is not used in physics. It is used in physicalism, which until now
just put the mind-body problem under the rug. With mechanism, we have
a “simple” explanation of consciousness, and a “simple” explanation of
where the observable comes from, and we can test it.
Your use of metaphysics is like the pseudo-religious one. You claim
that your god (Matter) is enough to not do the experimental testing.
And you sound like a theist seeking out heretics.
Brent
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