On Tuesday, July 23, 2019 at 9:23:45 AM UTC-5, telmo wrote:
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> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, at 14:15, Philip Thrift wrote:
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> On Tuesday, July 23, 2019 at 8:56:07 AM UTC-5, telmo wrote:
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> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, at 13:45, Philip Thrift wrote:
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> Keep in mind there is no consciousness without matter.
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> Is there matter without consciousness?
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> Telmo.
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> According to panpsychists, *no*. :) 
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> https://www.iep.utm.edu/panpsych/
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> I know :)
> But panpsychists are still materialists. Which leads me to the tougher 
> question: does matter exist outside of first-person conscious experience? 
> If your answer is "yes", my follow-up question is quite predictable: how do 
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> Telmo.
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There us no reason to know (and one cannot claim to know) *anything 
whatsoever* outside of knowing one's *selfhood*.

Anything else is just best-effort-guessing.


@philipthrift 

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