On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, at 18:26, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Tuesday, July 23, 2019 at 9:23:45 AM UTC-5, telmo wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, at 14:15, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, July 23, 2019 at 8:56:07 AM UTC-5, telmo wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, at 13:45, Philip Thrift wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Keep in mind there is no consciousness without matter. >>>> >>>> Is there matter without consciousness? >>>> >>>> Telmo. >>> >>> >>> According to panpsychists, *no*. :) >>> >>> https://www.iep.utm.edu/panpsych/ >> >> I know :) >> But panpsychists are still materialists. Which leads me to the tougher >> question: does matter exist outside of first-person conscious experience? If >> your answer is "yes", my follow-up question is quite predictable: how do you >> know? >> >> Telmo. >> > > > > There us no reason to know (and one cannot claim to know) *anything > whatsoever* outside of knowing one's *selfhood*. > > Anything else is just best-effort-guessing.
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