On 8/2/2019 1:41 PM, Jason Resch wrote:


On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 3:31 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



    On 8/2/2019 1:19 PM, Jason Resch wrote:


    On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 3:17 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
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        On 8/2/2019 12:53 PM, Jason Resch wrote:


        On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 1:25 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything
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            On 8/2/2019 10:42 AM, Jason Resch wrote:

                        Quantum computers work by interference of
                        quits, and such interference can only take
                        place in one world -- different worlds are
                        orthogonal. The fact that one can analyse a
                        quantum computer in a particular basis
                        which can be represented as a series of
                        parallel computations does not mean that
                        this is actually what happens. Heuristic
                        constructs seldom correspond to reality.


                    None of this comes anywhere close to addressing
                    my question.


                Well, you have either not understood the question,
                or my answer to it.


            I asked where those 10^1000 intermediate computation
            states are realized, and your reply was a basic
            description of how quantum computers use qubits and
            interference.  You said this all takes place in one
            world, but the total information content and
            computational capacity of the observable universe about
            800 orders of magnitude less than 10^1000.

            You then added a sentence that suggested the
            intermediate computational states perhaps don't exist,
            but then how does the correct answer get into the
            output bits when we read it?

            David Deutsch said he has never seen a sensible answer
            to the question of how quantum computers work from the
            context of any single-universe interpretation. Do you
            think your answer would satisfy him?

            All those "intermediate computation states" are so
            "numerous" because the state is being expressed as a
            superposition of qubit basis states. From another
            viewpoint the state is just a single ray in Hilbert
            space that happens to not be orthogonal to any of those
            bases


        So in your view, are they real?

        What "they"?  There's only a single state.  It's like saying
        there are infinitely many tones in a square wave...just
        because you represented it as a Fourier series.  The are
        2^1e4 potential measurement results, depending on what you
        choose to measure...but that's true in the classical case too.


    Do you agree the final states you measured were caused by the
    intermediate states of the computation?

    How many intermediate states of the computation are there?

    One.  It's a unitary evolution of the input state.


We were speaking of computational states.  Are you saying there is only one computation state involved in Shor's algorithm?  What causes the interference necessary to yield the correct answer, if not these numerous computational states?

The interference is in the measurement which Deutsch would say projects out onto one of the multiple worlds...the non-unitary step.

Brent


Jason
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