> On 9 Sep 2019, at 13:07, PGC <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 1:48:41 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Let us discuss ideas, and if you disagree with one thing I say, it would be > nice to explain what. > > Why? So you can dismiss it until a Stanford entry is written for you to > dismiss with the infamous correct scientific attitude we see advertised here > in recent months? There are dozens of ways to refute the premisses of not one > but many things you say. Assuming an albeit countable infinity of > transcendental objects/properties ontologically, while accusing > "physicalists" for assuming infinities maliciously for years…
That contradicts directly my premise, which are YD and CT. On the contrary, I have insisted many times that analysis and physics are in the derived phenomenology of the universal machine. I do not assume anything more than what is needed to prove the existence of the computations. > > Which is it by the way? Do they assume such because a) they are evil or > because b) they are stupid/naive? Or is it a superposition? Physicalist have to assume some magical things to explain how some computations are “more real” or “the only one able to make a computation supporting consciousness”. But then, it has to be non Turing emulable, because, if it is, it is already emulated an infinity of times in arithmetic. That can be proved in Peano arithmetic, which, typically, do not assume the axiom of infinity, like Euclid proves correctly the existence of an infinity of prime numbers, without assuming any infinity in the theory. Maybe the confusion is here: proving that there are infinitely many things can be done without assuming an infinity. It lies enough to prove the existence of some order, and to prove that for each x we can find something “bigger” than x for that order. Bruno > > I don’t see anything here that I could answer. It just ad hominem insult. > > You're not interested in refutation or critical examination of ideas, except > towards the extent you can control them. That's why everybody that doesn't > play along is "ad hominem". And on this planet, in this life, even on this > list, self-localized or not... that's a lot of ad hominem work for any > warrior of truth. Bon courage as they say. PGC > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/4d1d6969-7e9b-47bc-ac1a-2eeb197fec25%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/4d1d6969-7e9b-47bc-ac1a-2eeb197fec25%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/4E734A58-B46E-4884-A12C-37C7DAFD2DCC%40ulb.ac.be.
