> On 11 Sep 2019, at 22:58, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 1:34 PM Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com > <mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > >>you can't answer the simplest questions concerning that. If 7 changes to 8 > >>does that mean the number 7 no longer exists? Are there now two integer 8's > >>and how can one be distinguished from the other? > > >> Imagine a Turing machine that spit out the tape like a receipt and created > >> a new copy to work on before it changed any bit on the tape. This machine > >> is still universal is it not? You could run a conscious AI on it, could > >> you not? What is the Turing machine changing? > > I don't get what you're driving at Jason.... the Turing Machine is made of > matter
That contradicts directly Turing’s definition, notably of the universal (Turing) machine that he discovered, and which is a finite set of quadruples (a purely mathematical notion). > that obeys the laws of physics and the machine has moving parts. And if it's > going to make a copy of anything or even just read a tape the machine is > going to have to change the arrangement of parts. From the start to the end > lots and lots of things have changed. > > > All states it reaches continue to exist unchanged. > > What about the matter used to make the copies? If Mechanism is correct, it is an appearance from the universal machine’s point of view in arithmetic or in any Turing universal machinery. With Mechanism, matter is explained phenomenologically, a bit like with Everett QM, the appearance of the collapse is explained by the classical mechanist first person indeterminacy (that Everett called “subjective experience). Bruno > > John K Clark > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2f15F5beqDWKOuf_Cytsqf0M_K8f2tzyeSP3QG_V3cKQ%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2f15F5beqDWKOuf_Cytsqf0M_K8f2tzyeSP3QG_V3cKQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/A7C83B48-DE14-4EB9-B54F-8E754B9FA5DB%40ulb.ac.be.
