On 9/14/2019 1:27 PM, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 7:28 AM Lawrence Crowell
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> t/hat classical probability for a winning ticket is determined by
some quantum superposition of states that give a probability for a
ticket to be printed with some set of numbers, or for some
probability of tickets being distributed in some way./
The Schrodinger wave equation says the ticket is printed in every
possible way and the winning number is picked in every possible way,
It predicts that at some point well before the number is picked, at time
at which quantum level effects can be amplified to different ball
selections. That would not be the case nano-seconds before the pick, or
milliseconds before, and maybe not hours before.
but that's not all you yourself are also a quantum object so you
interact with the ticket in every possible way.
Only if you and the powerball are not influenced by that the same random
quantum events that got amplified to determine the ball AND to determine
your choice of number.
Some interactions result in great wealth, some result in no profit,
and some result in oblivion as in the suicide scenario.
/> In performing this quantum suicide experiment one is forcing
the situation in something similar to a Wheeler delayed choice
experiment./
I don't see the analogy at all. Regardless of if you perform the
quantum suicide experiment or not every possible lottery ticket was
printed, and you bought every possible lottery ticket, and
every possible number was picked as the winning number. The past is
not changed but the future is changed depending on if you performed
the experiment, if you do then in the future there is no universe in
the multiverse where you're looking at a losing ticket, if you don't
do the experiment then there is; but the past is the same in both cases.
So the multiverse contains 2 very general types of "you", universes
where you decide to do the experiment and always end up looking at a
winning ticket (a universe for every possible winning number),
and universes where you decide not to do the experiment and always end
up looking at numbers most of which are losing numbers. But in either
case I don't see why backward causality is needed.
> /with this suicide experiment there is a quantum outcome prior to
the final experimental end that demolishes the appearance of
superposition. How is that localized? /
By just looking at the lottery ticket. Normally there would be far
more versions of you looking at a losing ticket than a winning one,
but in the suicide experiment there are not as many versions of you
but all of them are looking at a winning ticket.
I can think of an interesting variation on the suicide experiment. I
decide to do it but I offer you a side bet and give you a thousand to
one odds that I have the winning ticket; if my ticket loses I will
give you a thousand dollars if I win you only have to give me one
dollar. The logical thing for both of us is to make the bet (if we
make the big assumption that Many Worlds is true), you calculate that
there is only one chance in 80 million of me winning so you know you
are almost certain to win a thousand dollars, and I calculate I will
win an additional dollar with absolute certainty to go with my vast
lottery winnings. Yes in most universes my estate will owe you a
thousand dollars but I no longer exist in them so I have no use for
that money. It's a win win bet.
But as Mallah points out, all you are doing is pruning those of your
future lives in which you don't win the lottery. That's rational if
your life has negative net value in those branches, but it's not
increasing the value of the branches in which you do win the lottery.
Brent
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