> On 16 Sep 2019, at 23:06, spudboy100 via Everything List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yes, Bruno, it's all axiomatic. Having said this, we can do away with MWI by > simply calling it all, an infinite (my term is near-infinite, a non > sequitur), and we still hypothetically receive the same results as chaotic > inflation, or the happy Hugh Everett, dance of worlds. From trans-cosmic > invaders from alternate Earths, I'd hope it would be from 3 different cosms > where other human species were successful. Dance with Denisovans, battle with > Neanderthals, do mathematics with Boskones (they gota be good at math with > those big heads?). We leave one discussion out of our thoughts. Which is how > many of these oblate spheroids that we split off to, are just empty vacuums, > or false vacuums? Thus, it's the internal content of any given cosmos that > matters. No minds (to me) equals non-consciousness, and that Swiss guy, > Schrodinger seems to agree with me. I'll just jot off and submit this to the > committee and await my Fields Prize.
Not sure if we differ. It is a bit fuzzy to me to be honest. Good luck for the Fields Medal. If you are older than 40, it is no more possible (I let you know). Bruno > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> > To: everything-list <[email protected]> > Sent: Mon, Sep 16, 2019 1:25 pm > Subject: Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll) > > >> On 16 Sep 2019, at 02:46, spudboy100 via Everything List >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> wrote: >> >> My guess is among the physics community, most, would be mildly, skeptical of >> MWI, because it's a bridge too far to get evidence of, as yet and thus, >> unconcerned. > > > Hmm… I will criticise this on two levels. > > 1) there are evidence: Nature loves to multiply things, and each time we said > that we know what our universe is, we get later that it was multiple. We have > believe that Earth was the world, then that the solar system was the world, > then that the galaxy was the world, then thanks to Hubble the guy, we > eventually accept what Kant did suggest, that our galaxies are themselves > multiple, and now we see them like little bacteria engulfed in filaments made > of a mysterious matter, along with an observable matter no less mysterious as > it implies a still bigger multiplication. > > > 2) Occam Razor. If you can explain everything with the axiom A and without > the axiom B, get rid of axiom B, especially if it put some mess in your > theory. > The theory > > Mechanism + SWE > > is simply much more conceptually simple than the theory > > SWE + an ontological physical collapse of on ontological physical wave > (without mentioning the dualism in the implicit theory of mind). > > Only one problem, for Mechanism to work, and notably to get the qualia > extending the quanta (like G* extend G, or Z1* extends Z1), we need to > re-prove constructively that Mechanism -> SWE, but there are promising result > (I dare to say) in that direction. > > Yes, the less axioms you have, the more possibilities/models you get, and > with mechanism, there is a simple explanation why the possibilities have to > interfere at some point. > > The most plausible theory is Mechanism. You need only to believe in 2+2=4 & > Co. The appearance of the many worlds and they laws is explained from that, > and in a precise way so that it can be tested, and thanks to QM, it works, > and it explains the relation between qualia and quanta, consciousness and > matter, etc. Maybe wrongly, but that has to be shown. > > There are zero universe, also. So we get the conceptual Occam (smaller > theory) and the ontological Occam, no physical universe at all, but a > universal dreamer (the universal machine lost in an incredible web of dreams, > some coherent up to make it able to say “hello” to itself, and develop > infinite conversations, like bacteria ... > > > > > > >> Having said this, many cosmologists are still having a cat fight about the >> Hubble Constant (The rate of cosmological expansion). my suspicion is, that >> once we get to the point of hanging truly gigantic telescopes on the >> periphery of the solar system, new discoveries will be made, and revisions >> to old laws of physics will be done. We'll gain a few definitive answers >> through observation, and we shall see that quantum in action at a vastly >> large scale. Relatedly, hey!, where's my dark matter? in fact, hey!, where's >> my fusion reactors. Ah! So much for the 'mentally fit' physicists and >> astronomers…. > > > Nothing is simple. Not even Nothing. > > Bruno > > > > > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Philip Thrift <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> To: Everything List <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> Sent: Sun, Sep 15, 2019 7:03 pm >> Subject: Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll) >> >> >> >> On Sunday, September 15, 2019 at 5:46:13 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> On Sunday, September 15, 2019 at 3:34:10 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> Sean Carroll's many-selves >> >> And the good news is ... the one in this world is going bald. AG >> >> >> And (many would say) going crazy. >> >> There is obviously (in his view) a world where a Sean Carroll is a "one >> world" quantum theorist. >> >> >> @philipthrift >> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=zsXCwUsuvKo >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsXCwUsuvKo> >> >> >> >> @philipthrift >> >> On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 11:45:41 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: >> https://www.wired.com/story/ sean-carroll-thinks-we-all- >> exist-on-multiple-worlds/ >> <https://www.wired.com/story/sean-carroll-thinks-we-all-exist-on-multiple-worlds/> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/3b7a3a0d-b3e0-43ef-b886-c393eb35c9b0%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/3b7a3a0d-b3e0-43ef-b886-c393eb35c9b0%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/8643456.7738728.1568594779723%40mail.yahoo.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/8643456.7738728.1568594779723%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/DDAE2632-6951-443B-B64F-C15D92BD2C26%40ulb.ac.be > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/DDAE2632-6951-443B-B64F-C15D92BD2C26%40ulb.ac.be?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1415449710.8186859.1568668017531%40mail.yahoo.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1415449710.8186859.1568668017531%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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