> On 20 Sep 2019, at 09:16, spudboy100 via Everything List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Ha! Thanks Bruno. I am kind of a physicalist-materialist sort of dude,
No problem. Just say “no” to the doctor, and find some “magical” theory of mind if interested in the mind-body problem. > and if these universes are forever untouchable, Truth is untouchable, unseeable, unmeasurable, but it explains (wrongly or correctly) why we see, touch, measure many things, in a stable and prolongated way. We get an indirect explanation including why we believe that there is a physical universe, when they are none. All proposition like “0 universe”, “1 universe”, “2 universes”, … aleph_zero universes”, aleph_1 universes, etc. Are not directly verifiable, but they do have different observable consequences. > it because all pedantic as they say. Unless for example, the Borisov comet is > really an interstellar craft, it's only moderately interesting. On math, > please place me at the back of the class ;-) No problem if you can still hear me. It is a bit crowded there, also … Bruno > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> > To: everything-list <[email protected]> > Sent: Thu, Sep 19, 2019 7:08 am > Subject: Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll) > > >> On 16 Sep 2019, at 23:06, spudboy100 via Everything List >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> wrote: >> >> Yes, Bruno, it's all axiomatic. Having said this, we can do away with MWI by >> simply calling it all, an infinite (my term is near-infinite, a non >> sequitur), and we still hypothetically receive the same results as chaotic >> inflation, or the happy Hugh Everett, dance of worlds. From trans-cosmic >> invaders from alternate Earths, I'd hope it would be from 3 different cosms >> where other human species were successful. Dance with Denisovans, battle >> with Neanderthals, do mathematics with Boskones (they gota be good at math >> with those big heads?). We leave one discussion out of our thoughts. Which >> is how many of these oblate spheroids that we split off to, are just empty >> vacuums, or false vacuums? Thus, it's the internal content of any given >> cosmos that matters. No minds (to me) equals non-consciousness, and that >> Swiss guy, Schrodinger seems to agree with me. I'll just jot off and submit >> this to the committee and await my Fields Prize. > > Not sure if we differ. It is a bit fuzzy to me to be honest. Good luck for > the Fields Medal. If you are older than 40, it is no more possible (I let you > know). > > Bruno > > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> To: everything-list <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> Sent: Mon, Sep 16, 2019 1:25 pm >> Subject: Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll) >> >> >>> On 16 Sep 2019, at 02:46, spudboy100 via Everything List >>> <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> My guess is among the physics community, most, would be mildly, skeptical >>> of MWI, because it's a bridge too far to get evidence of, as yet and thus, >>> unconcerned. >> >> >> Hmm… I will criticise this on two levels. >> >> 1) there are evidence: Nature loves to multiply things, and each time we >> said that we know what our universe is, we get later that it was multiple. >> We have believe that Earth was the world, then that the solar system was the >> world, then that the galaxy was the world, then thanks to Hubble the guy, we >> eventually accept what Kant did suggest, that our galaxies are themselves >> multiple, and now we see them like little bacteria engulfed in filaments >> made of a mysterious matter, along with an observable matter no less >> mysterious as it implies a still bigger multiplication. >> >> >> 2) Occam Razor. If you can explain everything with the axiom A and without >> the axiom B, get rid of axiom B, especially if it put some mess in your >> theory. >> The theory >> >> Mechanism + SWE >> >> is simply much more conceptually simple than the theory >> >> SWE + an ontological physical collapse of on ontological physical wave >> (without mentioning the dualism in the implicit theory of mind). >> >> Only one problem, for Mechanism to work, and notably to get the qualia >> extending the quanta (like G* extend G, or Z1* extends Z1), we need to >> re-prove constructively that Mechanism -> SWE, but there are promising >> result (I dare to say) in that direction. >> >> Yes, the less axioms you have, the more possibilities/models you get, and >> with mechanism, there is a simple explanation why the possibilities have to >> interfere at some point. >> >> The most plausible theory is Mechanism. You need only to believe in 2+2=4 & >> Co. The appearance of the many worlds and they laws is explained from that, >> and in a precise way so that it can be tested, and thanks to QM, it works, >> and it explains the relation between qualia and quanta, consciousness and >> matter, etc. Maybe wrongly, but that has to be shown. >> >> There are zero universe, also. So we get the conceptual Occam (smaller >> theory) and the ontological Occam, no physical universe at all, but a >> universal dreamer (the universal machine lost in an incredible web of >> dreams, some coherent up to make it able to say “hello” to itself, and >> develop infinite conversations, like bacteria ... >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Having said this, many cosmologists are still having a cat fight about the >>> Hubble Constant (The rate of cosmological expansion). my suspicion is, that >>> once we get to the point of hanging truly gigantic telescopes on the >>> periphery of the solar system, new discoveries will be made, and revisions >>> to old laws of physics will be done. We'll gain a few definitive answers >>> through observation, and we shall see that quantum in action at a vastly >>> large scale. Relatedly, hey!, where's my dark matter? in fact, hey!, >>> where's my fusion reactors. Ah! So much for the 'mentally fit' physicists >>> and astronomers…. >> >> >> Nothing is simple. Not even Nothing. >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Philip Thrift <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> To: Everything List <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> Sent: Sun, Sep 15, 2019 7:03 pm >>> Subject: Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll) >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, September 15, 2019 at 5:46:13 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, September 15, 2019 at 3:34:10 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Sean Carroll's many-selves >>> >>> And the good news is ... the one in this world is going bald. AG >>> >>> >>> And (many would say) going crazy. >>> >>> There is obviously (in his view) a world where a Sean Carroll is a "one >>> world" quantum theorist. >>> >>> >>> @philipthrift >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=zsXCwUsuvKo >>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsXCwUsuvKo> >>> >>> >>> >>> @philipthrift >>> >>> On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 11:45:41 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> https://www.wired.com/story/ sean-carroll-thinks-we-all- >>> exist-on-multiple-worlds/ >>> <https://www.wired.com/story/sean-carroll-thinks-we-all-exist-on-multiple-worlds/> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/3b7a3a0d-b3e0-43ef-b886-c393eb35c9b0%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/3b7a3a0d-b3e0-43ef-b886-c393eb35c9b0%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/8643456.7738728.1568594779723%40mail.yahoo.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/8643456.7738728.1568594779723%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/DDAE2632-6951-443B-B64F-C15D92BD2C26%40ulb.ac.be >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/DDAE2632-6951-443B-B64F-C15D92BD2C26%40ulb.ac.be?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1415449710.8186859.1568668017531%40mail.yahoo.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1415449710.8186859.1568668017531%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/5243B739-AA25-418C-A73A-E539C1787C87%40ulb.ac.be > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/5243B739-AA25-418C-A73A-E539C1787C87%40ulb.ac.be?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/947666975.10059140.1568963817927%40mail.yahoo.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/947666975.10059140.1568963817927%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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