On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 3:00:52 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > Le mer. 25 sept. 2019 à 09:55, Philip Thrift <[email protected] > <javascript:>> a écrit : > >> >> >> On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 1:25:58 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 08:16, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Many Worlds leads Sean Carroll to speculate about the morality of >>>> duplicated selves when they bach off into other worlds. >>>> >>>> Sean Carroll >>>> @seanmcarroll >>>> https://twitter.com/seanmcarroll/status/1176617631408775168 >>>> >>>> *Congressional votes do not *cause* the wave function to branch, but >>>> unlikely quantum events can bring into existence branches where >>>> classically >>>> unlikely outcomes have occurred. A nucleus might decay in the right >>>> Representative's brain at just the right time, etc.* >>>> >>>> He asks: >>>> >>>> "If You Existed in Multiple Universes, How Would You Act In This One?" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> https://lithub.com/if-you-existed-in-multiple-universes-how-would-you-act-in-this-one/ >>>> (From Something Deeply Hidden: Quantum Worlds and the Emergence of >>>> Spacetime by Sean Carroll) >>>> >>>> >>>> But he gives away the game here: >>>> >>>> "To each individual on some branch of the wave function, life goes on >>>> just as if they lived in a single world with truly stochastic quantum >>>> events." >>>> >>>> Maybe there's a Sean Carroll branch that loves stochasticity. >>>> >>>> Many Worlds (a religion, or quasi-religion, but not science) is >>>> fundamentally an anti-probabilities superstition. And anti-materialist as >>>> well. Those who think we are pure information - platotonist bits - have no >>>> problem with the idea of multiple copies of things here and now being >>>> made, >>>> because there is no new material needed. >>>> >>>> (The religious aspect of Many Worlds has been made apparent with the >>>> promotion - Carroll's own tweets, for example - of the book.) >>>> >>> >>> Pro-deterministic is not anti-probability. Also, pro-materialistic is no >>> less “religious” than anti-materialistic, since there is no way to know >>> that a true material world does or does not exist. When it comes to >>> deciding which interpretation of reality to prefer, one can either use >>> aesthetic considerations (Occam’s razor) or refuse to engage in discussion. >>> >>>> -- >>> Stathis Papaioannou >>> >> >> >> >> What I know is that *materials science* taught in universities, applied >> in technology companies. >> >> But *nonmaterials* "science" is taught in theology schools, and has no >> applications. >> >> > So what ? We're talking ontology/metaphysics here, so it has no > application... You don't use ontology to make things. > > Putting matter as primary is no less religious than if it is not, that's > all, so treating other religious regarding that is ridiculous. Of course > they are, as much as you are about matter being primary. > > Quentin > >> @philipthrift >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/36802602-a2a1-4b8f-96a6-3a289daf0e45%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/36802602-a2a1-4b8f-96a6-3a289daf0e45%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > > > -- > All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy > Batty/Rutger Hauer) >
"ontology/metaphysics ... has no application" Then it's a great idea to throw away or ignore all the books/articles that are ""ontology/metaphysics". @philipthrift -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/3e477a0f-26b9-42cf-b114-94b3b7a22293%40googlegroups.com.
