And more insults... You're first calling others religious, saying ontology metaphysics is bullshit on a list just about that, then more insults... well I'm sorry for you.
Le mer. 25 sept. 2019 à 12:06, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> a écrit : > > > Sorry, I didn't realize you were the Group Nazi. > > @philipthrift > > On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 3:26:01 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux > wrote: >> >> http://www.weidai.com/everything.html >> >> Le mer. 25 sept. 2019 à 10:24, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> a >> écrit : >> >>> >>> >>> Le mer. 25 sept. 2019 à 10:21, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> a >>> écrit : >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 3:00:52 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Le mer. 25 sept. 2019 à 09:55, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> a >>>>> écrit : >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 1:25:58 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 08:16, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Many Worlds leads Sean Carroll to speculate about the morality of >>>>>>>> duplicated selves when they bach off into other worlds. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sean Carroll >>>>>>>> @seanmcarroll >>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/seanmcarroll/status/1176617631408775168 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Congressional votes do not *cause* the wave function to branch, >>>>>>>> but unlikely quantum events can bring into existence branches where >>>>>>>> classically unlikely outcomes have occurred. A nucleus might decay in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> right Representative's brain at just the right time, etc.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> He asks: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "If You Existed in Multiple Universes, How Would You Act In This >>>>>>>> One?" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://lithub.com/if-you-existed-in-multiple-universes-how-would-you-act-in-this-one/ >>>>>>>> (From Something Deeply Hidden: Quantum Worlds and the Emergence of >>>>>>>> Spacetime by Sean Carroll) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But he gives away the game here: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "To each individual on some branch of the wave function, life goes >>>>>>>> on just as if they lived in a single world with truly stochastic >>>>>>>> quantum >>>>>>>> events." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Maybe there's a Sean Carroll branch that loves stochasticity. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Many Worlds (a religion, or quasi-religion, but not science) is >>>>>>>> fundamentally an anti-probabilities superstition. And anti-materialist >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> well. Those who think we are pure information - platotonist bits - >>>>>>>> have no >>>>>>>> problem with the idea of multiple copies of things here and now being >>>>>>>> made, >>>>>>>> because there is no new material needed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (The religious aspect of Many Worlds has been made apparent with >>>>>>>> the promotion - Carroll's own tweets, for example - of the book.) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pro-deterministic is not anti-probability. Also, pro-materialistic >>>>>>> is no less “religious” than anti-materialistic, since there is no way to >>>>>>> know that a true material world does or does not exist. When it comes to >>>>>>> deciding which interpretation of reality to prefer, one can either use >>>>>>> aesthetic considerations (Occam’s razor) or refuse to engage in >>>>>>> discussion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Stathis Papaioannou >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> What I know is that *materials science* taught in universities, >>>>>> applied in technology companies. >>>>>> >>>>>> But *nonmaterials* "science" is taught in theology schools, and has >>>>>> no applications. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> So what ? We're talking ontology/metaphysics here, so it has no >>>>> application... You don't use ontology to make things. >>>>> >>>>> Putting matter as primary is no less religious than if it is not, >>>>> that's all, so treating other religious regarding that is ridiculous. Of >>>>> course they are, as much as you are about matter being primary. >>>>> >>>>> Quentin >>>>> >>>>>> @philipthrift >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/36802602-a2a1-4b8f-96a6-3a289daf0e45%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/36802602-a2a1-4b8f-96a6-3a289daf0e45%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy >>>>> Batty/Rutger Hauer) >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "ontology/metaphysics ... has no application" >>>> >>>> Then it's a great idea to throw away or ignore all the books/articles >>>> that are ""ontology/metaphysics". >>>> >>> >>> You are on the everything list, whose goal is to talk about everything >>> theories/ideas *which are* about metaphysics/ontology, may I suggest that >>> you're on the wrong mailing list. >>> >>>> >>>> @philipthrift >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/3e477a0f-26b9-42cf-b114-94b3b7a22293%40googlegroups.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/3e477a0f-26b9-42cf-b114-94b3b7a22293%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy >>> Batty/Rutger Hauer) >>> >> >> >> -- >> All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy >> Batty/Rutger Hauer) >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/0b1a0900-8685-4223-9961-3cc203aceae0%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/0b1a0900-8685-4223-9961-3cc203aceae0%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy Batty/Rutger Hauer) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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