Le mer. 25 sept. 2019 à 10:21, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> a écrit :
> > > On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 3:00:52 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux > wrote: >> >> >> >> Le mer. 25 sept. 2019 à 09:55, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> a >> écrit : >> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 1:25:58 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 08:16, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Many Worlds leads Sean Carroll to speculate about the morality of >>>>> duplicated selves when they bach off into other worlds. >>>>> >>>>> Sean Carroll >>>>> @seanmcarroll >>>>> https://twitter.com/seanmcarroll/status/1176617631408775168 >>>>> >>>>> *Congressional votes do not *cause* the wave function to branch, but >>>>> unlikely quantum events can bring into existence branches where >>>>> classically >>>>> unlikely outcomes have occurred. A nucleus might decay in the right >>>>> Representative's brain at just the right time, etc.* >>>>> >>>>> He asks: >>>>> >>>>> "If You Existed in Multiple Universes, How Would You Act In This One?" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://lithub.com/if-you-existed-in-multiple-universes-how-would-you-act-in-this-one/ >>>>> (From Something Deeply Hidden: Quantum Worlds and the Emergence of >>>>> Spacetime by Sean Carroll) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> But he gives away the game here: >>>>> >>>>> "To each individual on some branch of the wave function, life goes on >>>>> just as if they lived in a single world with truly stochastic quantum >>>>> events." >>>>> >>>>> Maybe there's a Sean Carroll branch that loves stochasticity. >>>>> >>>>> Many Worlds (a religion, or quasi-religion, but not science) is >>>>> fundamentally an anti-probabilities superstition. And anti-materialist as >>>>> well. Those who think we are pure information - platotonist bits - have no >>>>> problem with the idea of multiple copies of things here and now being >>>>> made, >>>>> because there is no new material needed. >>>>> >>>>> (The religious aspect of Many Worlds has been made apparent with the >>>>> promotion - Carroll's own tweets, for example - of the book.) >>>>> >>>> >>>> Pro-deterministic is not anti-probability. Also, pro-materialistic is >>>> no less “religious” than anti-materialistic, since there is no way to know >>>> that a true material world does or does not exist. When it comes to >>>> deciding which interpretation of reality to prefer, one can either use >>>> aesthetic considerations (Occam’s razor) or refuse to engage in discussion. >>>> >>>>> -- >>>> Stathis Papaioannou >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> What I know is that *materials science* taught in universities, >>> applied in technology companies. >>> >>> But *nonmaterials* "science" is taught in theology schools, and has no >>> applications. >>> >>> >> So what ? We're talking ontology/metaphysics here, so it has no >> application... You don't use ontology to make things. >> >> Putting matter as primary is no less religious than if it is not, that's >> all, so treating other religious regarding that is ridiculous. Of course >> they are, as much as you are about matter being primary. >> >> Quentin >> >>> @philipthrift >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/36802602-a2a1-4b8f-96a6-3a289daf0e45%40googlegroups.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/36802602-a2a1-4b8f-96a6-3a289daf0e45%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> >> >> -- >> All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy >> Batty/Rutger Hauer) >> > > > > > "ontology/metaphysics ... has no application" > > Then it's a great idea to throw away or ignore all the books/articles that > are ""ontology/metaphysics". > You are on the everything list, whose goal is to talk about everything theories/ideas *which are* about metaphysics/ontology, may I suggest that you're on the wrong mailing list. > > @philipthrift > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/3e477a0f-26b9-42cf-b114-94b3b7a22293%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/3e477a0f-26b9-42cf-b114-94b3b7a22293%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. 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