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Le mer. 25 sept. 2019 à 10:24, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> a écrit : > > > Le mer. 25 sept. 2019 à 10:21, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> a > écrit : > >> >> >> On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 3:00:52 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Le mer. 25 sept. 2019 à 09:55, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> a >>> écrit : >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 1:25:58 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 08:16, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Many Worlds leads Sean Carroll to speculate about the morality of >>>>>> duplicated selves when they bach off into other worlds. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sean Carroll >>>>>> @seanmcarroll >>>>>> https://twitter.com/seanmcarroll/status/1176617631408775168 >>>>>> >>>>>> *Congressional votes do not *cause* the wave function to branch, but >>>>>> unlikely quantum events can bring into existence branches where >>>>>> classically >>>>>> unlikely outcomes have occurred. A nucleus might decay in the right >>>>>> Representative's brain at just the right time, etc.* >>>>>> >>>>>> He asks: >>>>>> >>>>>> "If You Existed in Multiple Universes, How Would You Act In This One?" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://lithub.com/if-you-existed-in-multiple-universes-how-would-you-act-in-this-one/ >>>>>> (From Something Deeply Hidden: Quantum Worlds and the Emergence of >>>>>> Spacetime by Sean Carroll) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> But he gives away the game here: >>>>>> >>>>>> "To each individual on some branch of the wave function, life goes on >>>>>> just as if they lived in a single world with truly stochastic quantum >>>>>> events." >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe there's a Sean Carroll branch that loves stochasticity. >>>>>> >>>>>> Many Worlds (a religion, or quasi-religion, but not science) is >>>>>> fundamentally an anti-probabilities superstition. And anti-materialist as >>>>>> well. Those who think we are pure information - platotonist bits - have >>>>>> no >>>>>> problem with the idea of multiple copies of things here and now being >>>>>> made, >>>>>> because there is no new material needed. >>>>>> >>>>>> (The religious aspect of Many Worlds has been made apparent with the >>>>>> promotion - Carroll's own tweets, for example - of the book.) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Pro-deterministic is not anti-probability. Also, pro-materialistic is >>>>> no less “religious” than anti-materialistic, since there is no way to know >>>>> that a true material world does or does not exist. When it comes to >>>>> deciding which interpretation of reality to prefer, one can either use >>>>> aesthetic considerations (Occam’s razor) or refuse to engage in >>>>> discussion. >>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> Stathis Papaioannou >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What I know is that *materials science* taught in universities, >>>> applied in technology companies. >>>> >>>> But *nonmaterials* "science" is taught in theology schools, and has no >>>> applications. >>>> >>>> >>> So what ? We're talking ontology/metaphysics here, so it has no >>> application... You don't use ontology to make things. >>> >>> Putting matter as primary is no less religious than if it is not, that's >>> all, so treating other religious regarding that is ridiculous. Of course >>> they are, as much as you are about matter being primary. >>> >>> Quentin >>> >>>> @philipthrift >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/36802602-a2a1-4b8f-96a6-3a289daf0e45%40googlegroups.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/36802602-a2a1-4b8f-96a6-3a289daf0e45%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy >>> Batty/Rutger Hauer) >>> >> >> >> >> >> "ontology/metaphysics ... has no application" >> >> Then it's a great idea to throw away or ignore all the books/articles >> that are ""ontology/metaphysics". >> > > You are on the everything list, whose goal is to talk about everything > theories/ideas *which are* about metaphysics/ontology, may I suggest that > you're on the wrong mailing list. > >> >> @philipthrift >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/3e477a0f-26b9-42cf-b114-94b3b7a22293%40googlegroups.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/3e477a0f-26b9-42cf-b114-94b3b7a22293%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > > > -- > All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy > Batty/Rutger Hauer) > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy Batty/Rutger Hauer) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAMW2kApjZuz4W%2B0tESa0ebA2rHFzc97Oo%3DYTUd-c%2BxSS3xm17g%40mail.gmail.com.
