On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 12:08:35 PM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 25 Sep 2019, at 09:55, Philip Thrift <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 1:25:58 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 08:16, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Many Worlds leads Sean Carroll to speculate about the morality of >>> duplicated selves when they bach off into other worlds. >>> >>> Sean Carroll >>> @seanmcarroll >>> https://twitter.com/seanmcarroll/status/1176617631408775168 >>> >>> *Congressional votes do not *cause* the wave function to branch, but >>> unlikely quantum events can bring into existence branches where classically >>> unlikely outcomes have occurred. A nucleus might decay in the right >>> Representative's brain at just the right time, etc.* >>> >>> He asks: >>> >>> "If You Existed in Multiple Universes, How Would You Act In This One?" >>> >>> >>> >>> https://lithub.com/if-you-existed-in-multiple-universes-how-would-you-act-in-this-one/ >>> (From Something Deeply Hidden: Quantum Worlds and the Emergence of >>> Spacetime by Sean Carroll) >>> >>> >>> But he gives away the game here: >>> >>> "To each individual on some branch of the wave function, life goes on >>> just as if they lived in a single world with truly stochastic quantum >>> events." >>> >>> Maybe there's a Sean Carroll branch that loves stochasticity. >>> >>> Many Worlds (a religion, or quasi-religion, but not science) is >>> fundamentally an anti-probabilities superstition. And anti-materialist as >>> well. Those who think we are pure information - platotonist bits - have no >>> problem with the idea of multiple copies of things here and now being made, >>> because there is no new material needed. >>> >>> (The religious aspect of Many Worlds has been made apparent with the >>> promotion - Carroll's own tweets, for example - of the book.) >>> >> >> Pro-deterministic is not anti-probability. Also, pro-materialistic is no >> less “religious” than anti-materialistic, since there is no way to know >> that a true material world does or does not exist. When it comes to >> deciding which interpretation of reality to prefer, one can either use >> aesthetic considerations (Occam’s razor) or refuse to engage in discussion. >> >>> -- >> Stathis Papaioannou >> > > > > What I know is that *materials science* taught in universities, applied > in technology companies. > > But *nonmaterials* "science" is taught in theology schools, and has no > applications. > > > > You are right. And for a millenium; theology needed a cursus in > mathematics of four years. The fundamental courses to masteries were > Arithmetic, Geometry, Music, Astronomy. Later came Diophantine Algebra, > and even the apparition of algorithm and rules. > > You forget Mathematics. It is also taught at universities and applied in > technology companies. > > The discovery of the computer was a discovery made by mathematicians > trying to solve problems in the foundation of Mathematics. >
No. Computers were developed at Blechley Park, UK, during WW2, when the British were trying to decode German encryption, aka Enigma. AG > > The original debate between Aristotle and Plato was always on the fringe > of the doubt if mathematics or physics were the fundamental science. > > Fictionalism, atheism etc. are not doctrines. They are doctrines asserting > that another doctrine is forever false, like it could not improve, or admit > new interpretation. It is unscientific. You need just to give your theory > and the means to evaluate it. I have given my means of evaluation: to > recover the prediction on the measurable quanta without throwing > consciousness under the rug. > But you haven't given a plausible argument why a monkey typing long enough, will produce QM. It will just be more text and nothing connected to the Scientific Method of validation, which surely seems to need a physical world for said validation. AG > > Bruno > > > > > > @philipthrift > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] <javascript:>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/36802602-a2a1-4b8f-96a6-3a289daf0e45%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/36802602-a2a1-4b8f-96a6-3a289daf0e45%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/c03b3dfe-2df8-4e9e-bbfe-baa18f6aef1c%40googlegroups.com.
