> On 3 Oct 2019, at 12:19, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Bruce Kellett <bhkellet...@gmail.com <mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > >>> I don't know what you mean by 'realism'. > > >> If realism is true then things, like the spin of an electron or the > >> polarization of a photon, exist even when they are not being observed and > >> they always exist in one and only one definite state. > > > I still 'really' have no idea what you mean by' realism'. > > Which word didn't you understand? > > > I suggest you read Maudlin's paper: > > I suggest you read Carroll's book. And by the way, Maudlin believes that > time's arrow and all the laws of physics are primitive, that is to say they > can not be reduced to something else, certainly not to arithmetic.
Can you give the reference? I mean I would like to see the contexte, but I am not astonished, and don’t doubt he could say this. It is not astonishing at all. In his Olympia paper(*), he got the same conclusion than me, i.e. that we cannot have Mechanism and Materialism together. Each one implies the negation of the other. He got this by an argument which is more similar to the movie graph argument (MGA) than to the UDA (which requires the understanding of the mathematical definition of a computer in step 7). But in its conclusion he seems to keep Materialism. He has not seen the many computations “formulation” or “internal interpretation” of elementary arithmetic (or combinator algebra). Bruno (*) Maudlin, T. (1989). Computation and Consciousness. The Journal of Philosophy, pages 407-432. > > > "Einteinian realism" and shows that this criterion is analytic -- depending > > only on the meanings of the words involved. > > Well duh.... how could it be otherwise?! I've clearly explained what the > word "realism" means to Carroll and to modern physicists, and although there > may be controversy among them about if realism is true or not there is no > controversy over the meaning of the word. Modern physicists don't invent > idiosyncratic meanings for common words. > > John K Clark > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2yKgFE0DVNVVJT%3Dfwoer5dk-WZfTgpYUA9XcWkYAovyw%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2yKgFE0DVNVVJT%3Dfwoer5dk-WZfTgpYUA9XcWkYAovyw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/2E8E08AF-8524-44FD-BE08-09686EABF958%40ulb.ac.be.
