> On 8 Oct 2019, at 14:02, Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 10:29 PM Bruno Marchal <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > On 6 Oct 2019, at 12:46, Bruce Kellett <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 7:23 PM Bruno Marchal <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> On 5 Oct 2019, at 13:05, Bruce Kellett <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> Let us start again. Consider the entangled singlet state that we have been >>>> talking about: >>>>> |psi> = (|+>|-> - |->|+>)/sqrt(2). >>>> This refers to two spacetime locations; >>> >>> You can’t at the start impose your own interpretation. You know that I >>> disagree with this interpretation since the start. >>> >>> For goodness sake, Bruno, what are you talking about? You cannot 'disagree >>> with this interpretation'. That is what the singlet state when the >>> particles have separated means. >> >> Meaning = interpretation. There is no consensus how to interpret the wave, >> even among “many-worlders”. Nothing is obvious here. >> >> I think that everyone (except you, perhaps), agrees that this equation for >> the entangled singlet state refers to two particles that might have >> arbitrary space-time separation. This might not be obvious to you, but it is >> to everyone else. > > Deustch interpret it as a continuum of worlds, like any quantum state, and > they differentiate locally, as shown by using the Heisenberg picture. > > Going to the Heisenberg picture does not change anything. The two particles > are still at different spacetime locations so the state is non-local. Even > Deutsch agrees with this. > > > IMO, it is you who are special when thinking that the interpretation of the > wave is obvious. > > Keep in mind that I never really leave Mechanism, so physics is not a science > which describes reality, only the relatively observable. > > > Maybe it is your attachment to 'Mechanism' that is keeping you from > understanding the non-locality of the singlet state.
That is not exactly what I call argumenting. Bruno > > Bruce > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAFxXSLTNi0nq7SMRvvm_7_%2BLc9WqOrooLZKfOJ%3DewGd_f%2BrPRg%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAFxXSLTNi0nq7SMRvvm_7_%2BLc9WqOrooLZKfOJ%3DewGd_f%2BrPRg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/86E4DC0D-6217-4B45-A8D2-8EB98C1BA991%40ulb.ac.be.
