> On 30 Oct 2019, at 23:54, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, October 30, 2019 at 5:45:29 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: > > > On Thu, 31 Oct 2019 at 07:44, Alan Grayson <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > > > On Wednesday, October 30, 2019 at 4:30:19 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Wednesday, October 30, 2019 at 5:01:14 AM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Schneider > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Schneider> > > > > > It's a common AI view, that the program (programming) of consciousness (like > what's running in your brain right now) is substrate independent. > > @philipthrift > > What is "substrate independent"? > > The computation is the same independently of the substrate of its > implementation. For example, you could run the same program on a computer > based on vacuum tubes or transistors, with the same output. > -- > Stathis Papaioannou > > That's the case for the conventional-Platonistic definition of computing. > > Not the case for computing with a material-intrinsic semantics.
Which does not admit a mathematical definition, and relies on a metaphysical commitment, without any evidences for it. Why not, but given that mechanism is testable let us see. Up to now, nature does exactly what it needs to do to confirm Mechanism, including its many histories interpretation of the arithmetical reality. Bruno > > > @philipthrift > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/cf6758ca-3924-44f5-b0ff-f32111c27ecf%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/cf6758ca-3924-44f5-b0ff-f32111c27ecf%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/8CB6B71F-1705-4F05-BA71-77D72070DC9E%40ulb.ac.be.
