On 11/14/2019 3:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 11 Nov 2019, at 12:35, Bruce Kellett <[email protected]
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On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 8:37 PM Bruno Marchal <[email protected]
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On 10 Nov 2019, at 20:01, Alan Grayson <[email protected]
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On Sunday, November 10, 2019 at 5:42:50 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal
wrote:
Once the cat is alive + dead, he remains in that state for ever.
*Then how come we NEVER observe that state? AG*
Because the observable are defined by their possible definite
outcome, and for reason already explained, macroscopic
superposition decoder, that is get entangled with the environment
at a very high speed. So, if you look at the cat in the a+d
state, you are duplicate almost immediately into a guy seeing the
cat alive + the guy seeing the cat dead, and QM explained why
they cannot interact, although they might interfere themselves.
That is exactly a preferred basis -- which you seem to want to deny.
I have never denied a preferred basis, as preferred by the evolution
of the type of observer we are (like molecular biological organism,
where position plays an important role). What I deny is that the MWI
implies that some base are more important in physics than other. The
universal wave function can be described in any base, but the internal
observer will “choose” the base corresponding to their most useful
sensory apparatus.
That would imply that we could build instruments to detect states other
than position, momentum, and others related to our senses. We do that
to a degree, but it is difficult and I don't think there is any chance
that we could build a detector corresponding to an arbitrary projection
operator.
Brent
It is a bit like a planet and life: there are “preferred planet”
having the right conditions for life to develop. Similarly,
consciousness can only differentiate in the base in which Turing
universal machine can also differentiate.
Bruno
Bruce
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