On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 11:23 AM Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
*> mind is not much what it does, as what it feels,* I don't think much of the Star Trek/Mr.Spock philosophy. I think something could be conscious and unintelligent but not the other way around. And I don't think it's feelings that distinguishes humans from the other animals, it's intelligence. >> I don't think mind (intelligence + consciousness) is a form of matter > anymore than fast is a form of racing car, > > *> Very good point!* > Thank you. >>mind is what a form of matter does when it is organized in certain ways. > > > *OK; if you want to implement that mind relatively to you.* > Not OK if you want to assign mind to other people. I know for sure that in my case mind does 2 things, it does intelligence and it does consciousness, perhaps the same 2 things are true for other people's mind too but only one of those attributes can be directly tested by me; so to avoid solipsism I just have to assume that the one implies the other. Actually I can do a bit more than that, although falling short of a proof of Euclidean quality there is good evidence that one implies the other and solipsism is probably untrue: I am conscious and Evolution produced me. Evolution can NOT directly detect consciousness in others any better than I can. SO consciousness can NOT confer a Evolutionary advantage. So consciousness can NOT be selected for. I am more intelagent than a rock. Evolution CAN directly detect intelligence. So intelligence CAN confer a Evolutionary advantage. So intelligence CAN be selected for. Therefore consciousness is a byproduct of intelligence. *> If not, you need to explain more on what is matter, and how it makes > some computations more real than some others. * > A good operational definition of "real" is something that produces results, so you need to explain why some programs, like those inside a computer connected to a power supply, produce results, but other programs, like those printed out in ASCII characters in the pages of a dusty old book, do not. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv0o7w2BsJLJUz65AMJq87SyFEO9hoD8KdwLmakHOcge3Q%40mail.gmail.com.
