I agree completely with Strawson that the type of qualia-free computational approach suggested by some is nothing but *zombieism*.
All the viable computational frameworks (like Donald Hoffmann's) - when closely examined - depend on this: *Conscious agent networks:* *Formal analysis and application to cognition* http://cogsci.uci.edu/~ddhoff/CA-circuits-CSR-rev.pdf The CA framework says nothing about the nature of experience. It says nothing about qualia;* it simply assumes that qualia exist*, that agents experience them, and that they can be tokened. There would have to be "revolution" (or at least "updating") in the current scientific vocabulary of physics - the vocabulary conventionally written in 2020 - to match the Strawson view. (CHIMP: consciousnessive hypo-intrinsic massless particle). But that is perfectly OK, since physics or any science - as written - is not a fixed catechism, like the Ten Commandments written in stone for Moses. (I am not quite happy with Bruno's response, but it is better.) @philipthrift On Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 3:33:49 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > I quite agree with Strawson that physics, and science in general, doesn't > tell us about the ding und sich of consciousness or anything else. But I > notice that he completely avoids any similar level description or > definition of qualia. Over and over he says "You know what I mean." So > his denial adds nothing. In contrast the idea that consciousness is a > particular kind of computation does lead somewhere...it leads to AI and > analysis and possibly even repair of brains. It leads to consciousness > engineering. > > The student questions are quite good...better than Strawson's answers. > > Brent > > On 4/4/2020 1:07 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FHLjHC-soU > > "there is no conflict between a ‘hard-nosed’ > physicalist/materialist/naturalistic scientific approach to the world and > all-out belief in the reality of consciousness, conscious experience, good > old fashioned qualia - whatever you want to call it or them" > -- Galen Strawson > > @philpthrift > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/5f0ff3bc-12b5-47ab-a9be-094d12622499%40googlegroups.com.
