> On 4 Apr 2020, at 22:33, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > I quite agree with Strawson that physics, and science in general, doesn't > tell us about the ding und sich of consciousness or anything else. But I > notice that he completely avoids any similar level description or definition > of qualia. Over and over he says "You know what I mean." So his denial adds > nothing. In contrast the idea that consciousness is a particular kind of > computation does lead somewhere...it leads to AI and analysis and possibly > even repair of brains. It leads to consciousness engineering. > > The student questions are quite good...better than Strawson's answers.
Same opinion. I would say that physics does not study consciousness, per se. It is not in its subject matter. But science can study consciousness and, actually, can be done in all domains. It is just the retrieval of metaphysics/theology from science which makes us believe that there subject out of science. Those subset are out of science to prevent people understanding the tyran tricks, a bit like cannabis is out of science, to steal money with inefficacious and expensive products instead. And you are right, the assumption that consciousness is preserved through digital functional substitution at some level does have many sort of observable consequences, from the plausibility of AI to quantum-like principle in Nature. Bruno > > Brent > > On 4/4/2020 1:07 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FHLjHC-soU >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FHLjHC-soU> >> >> "there is no conflict between a ‘hard-nosed’ >> physicalist/materialist/naturalistic scientific approach to the world and >> all-out belief in the reality of consciousness, conscious experience, good >> old fashioned qualia - whatever you want to call it or them" >> -- Galen Strawson >> >> @philpthrift >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/691a9228-0fbf-4cdb-a850-bfd5f7a88509%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/691a9228-0fbf-4cdb-a850-bfd5f7a88509%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/b090eed0-2092-eb2c-5780-838e5a0a5120%40verizon.net > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/b090eed0-2092-eb2c-5780-838e5a0a5120%40verizon.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/2415C178-C63A-4C19-93E7-7514E9E8AFDD%40ulb.ac.be.
