On Thursday, July 2, 2020 at 6:48:08 AM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote:
>
> https://arxiv.org/abs/2007.00418
>
> [Submitted on 1 Jul 2020]
> *Forcing as a computational process*
>
> Joel David Hamkins 
> <https://arxiv.org/search/math?searchtype=author&query=Hamkins%2C+J+D>, 
> Russell 
> Miller <https://arxiv.org/search/math?searchtype=author&query=Miller%2C+R>
> , Kameryn J. Williams 
> <https://arxiv.org/search/math?searchtype=author&query=Williams%2C+K+J>
>
> We investigate how set-theoretic forcing can be seen as a computational 
> process on the models of set theory. Given an oracle for information about 
> a model of set theory ⟨M,∈M⟩, we explain senses in which one may 
> compute M-generic filters G⊆ℙ∈M and the corresponding forcing 
> extensions M[G]. Specifically, from the atomic diagram one may compute G, 
> from the Δ0-diagram one may compute M[G] and its Δ0-diagram, and from the 
> elementary diagram one may compute the elementary diagram of M[G]. We also 
> examine the information necessary to make the process functorial, and 
> conclude that in the general case, no such computational process will be 
> functorial. For any such process, it will always be possible to have 
> different isomorphic presentations of a model of set theory M that lead to 
> different non-isomorphic forcing extensions M[G]. Indeed, there is no Borel 
> function providing generic filters that is functorial in this sense.
>
> @philipthrift
>

Forcing is a bizarre idea, where one introduces some new category or 
objects that extends a model. In some ways we do this with the extension of 
mathematics from the reals to complex numbers. The forcing of one system 
into another has some connections to the Jordan-Banach algebra as well. The 
replacement of a Poisson bracket structure {X, Y} → i/ħ[X, Y], is given by 
the replacement of generators that are Jordan with product rule A∘B = ½(AB 
+ BA) to a Lie algebraic ad_A(B) = [A, B] product. For a general quantum 
system with a Lindblad type equation 

Idρ/dt = [H, ρ] + ½([Aρ, A^†] + [A, ρA^†]),

such that the Hamiltonian is an element of the Lie group L, usually as a 
weight, and the operators A and A^† are operators so that AρA^†,  AA^†ρ, 
and ρAA^† are operations on the density matrix that are Jordan. Depending 
upon how one looks at this we can think of the quantum mechanical theory on 
Fubini-Study metric on ℂP^n, say a metric based action or Lagrangian ℒ = 
g_{ab}y^ay^b to ℒ = g_{ab}y^ay^b + U(x_1, x_2, … ) with a general 
Euler-Lagrange equation

F_i = ∂/∂x_i(∂ℒ/∂y_a)y^a - ∂ℒ/∂x_i.

This is component version in Finsler geometry of a differential 1-form ω = 
πdq – dη. It should be apparent this is similar to the first law of 
thermodynamics. This is a “practical lesson” in what is meant by forcing. 
The imaginary valued system is extended to components that are further 
multiplied by i = √(-1). This is a sort of Wick rotation version of the 
forcing from reals to complex numbers.


The Jordan-Banach algebra though is just a start. We have the skew symmetry 
that corresponds to the conjugate on I = √(-1). This Lie algebraic system 
is in contrast to the Jordan product and algebra. We also have in physics 
fundamental properties due to bosonic and fermionic statistics.  In 
supersymmetry there are the Grassmann numbers that enter in to intertwine 
between these. Further, on a 2-dimensional space the interchange of two 
bosons or fermions is ambiguous. This is because a clockwise and 
counterclockwise rotational exchange are topologically distinct. In 3 
dimensions of space the paths can be exchanged, but no in two. This means a 
sign change is possible in either boson or fermion cases. The stretched 
horizon of a black hole is a 2-dimensional surface and an anionic system 
for quantum fields. I think this is a foundation for how there are these 
dichotomies in physics, such as quantum mechanics and macroscopic physics 
and different statistics.  Instead of physics being founded on very large 
algebraic systems I think that Wigner had something right with the idea of 
small groups. The big symmetry systems come about from symmetry breaking or 
the removal of a degeneracy.

The fibration and Noether’s theorem in differential forms is λ = p_idq_i – 
Hdt, where the 1-form has a horizonal p_idq_i and vertical Hdt  principal 
bundles. This is a Finsler geometric way of seeing Lagrangian dynamics. The 
differential dλ = dp_i∧dq_i – dH∧dt, vanishes on the contact manifold. In a 
strict Finsler context the horizontal and vertical bundles are annulled 
separately. The q_i is the generator of p_i and dp_i = 0 means momentum is 
invariant under translation and similarly energy is conserved under time 
translations. If there is a Lagrange multiplier that connects the vertical 
and horizontal parts of the bundle then we have 

dp_i∧dq_i – dH∧dt = (dp_i/dt)dt∧dq_i – (∂H/dq_i)dq_i∧dt = [(dp_i/dt) + 
(∂H/dq_i)]dq_i∧dt 

which gives us the dynamical equation (dp_i/dt) = -∂H/dq_i. 

Hamkins et al paper is dense in set theoretic constructions. These things I 
have some introductory acquaintance with. I am also more interested in the 
practical transduction of such ideas. I will try to see what I can gather 
from this paper. Forcing does have some algorithmic connection and the 
above connects 1/kT ↔ it/ħ with macroscopic system with a temperature, or 
gravity in the case of spacetime physics, to time in the case of quantum 
mechanics.

LC

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