I agree it is unfortunate that what should purely be a medical/risk management decision has become politicized.
Fortunately the Ohio's governor intervened to make the pharmacy board reversed their ban <https://www.wkbn.com/news/coronavirus/ohio-board-of-pharmacy-withdraws-hydroxychloroquine-ruling-after-gov-dewines-request/>. Whether any particular treatment is effective or not, the decision must remain one made by the patient and their doctor, in my opinion. Jason On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 3:52 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > Yeah Jason, it's shouldn't be about ideology, but results. However, human > nature is what it is, and often "faith" overwhelms facts. If someone hates > Orange Man enough, and see Covid as something secondary or tertiary, they > won't care. Even Scott Adams (Dilbert) was vehemently contemptuous of > Hydroxychloroquine as useless or damaging, and spoke against it as of three > weeks ago. Adams, changed his opinion based on new studies. Adams is not a > physician or a scientist but always uses their papers and voices in his > analysis. 12 min video follows. Adams is big league in math and science, > but was an investment banker as first background. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCRGYtMgn4c > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Resch <[email protected]> > To: Everything List <[email protected]> > Sent: Fri, Jul 31, 2020 7:12 pm > Subject: Re: Sharpiegate > > There have been 65 studies on HCQ. Of all the tests that looked at giving > it early in the disease, or prophylactically, they showed HCQ was > beneficial. This site summarizes them all: https://c19study.com/ > > The only studies that have shown HCQ to be ineffective are those where it > is given late in the disease progression (when the disease shifts from the > viral > replication phase to an immune system dysregulation phase > <https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf> > (see page 2)). Even then, 61% of studies have shown some effectiveness even > when it is given late. > > Given the well-established safety > <https://www.cdc.gov/malaria/resources/pdf/fsp/drugs/Hydroxychloroquine.pdf> > record of HCQ, this is the dilemma we face: > > HCQ works HCQ doesn't work > HCQ widely dispensed 10,000s of thousands of lives saved $20 wasted per > patient > HCQ use restricted 10,000s of thousands of needless deaths $0 wasted per > patient > > Even in the face of impartial information on its effectiveness, the > decision is clear. > > Jason > > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 5:52 PM PGC <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 3:58:02 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 30 Jul 2020, at 22:59, PGC <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 10:52:09 PM UTC+2 Brent wrote: > > > > On 7/30/2020 1:02 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: > > Refute this Telmo- > https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study > > https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext > > One viewer here indicated this was not a study-but it is a study indeed > concluding the benefits of Hydro. > > Now what do I think? If it works it works, and if it doesn't it doesn't. > > > That's just false. Some things work on some infections in some people > using some protocols of care. > > > Agreed. Ongoing large scale international clinical trials are what they > are. Nobody claims that they or the papers in their wake are perfect, but > to pretend that a few tiny studies are "in need of refutation" or that the > world's epidemiological community is orchestrating conspiracies without > evidence like some on Twitter and on social media tend to peddle, is naive > or evidence of the effectivity of disinformation, *not evidence of > effectivity of medication*. > > > OK in principle. But we can also look at the map of the evolution of the > virus in country using it and not using it. My own country has used it, > France has used it, then change its mind, a number of time. > We can also take into account that the US FDA has lied about “not evidence > of effectivity of cannabis” since about a century. It is only very recently > that it has admit its effectivity for some disease in some public way (it > accepted it more discreetly for some rich patients since long though). > > > > But if Telmo and/or Mitch need, they can always get in touch with their > closest epidemiologists/docs and ask for the data and emails, and inform > the coordinating committee of their findings and worries, citing who they > wish. While data of the majority of ongoing trials and appropriate > epidemiological discourse may not be accessible on the net or published > ("ongoing" being somewhat relevant...), it isn't classified or anything. PGC > > > > I have done that a little bit, but it is hard to interpret. A biologist > friend of mine seems to believe that the Canadian studies showing that > Hydroxychoroquine is better than Remdesevir is rather serious. The amount > of money hidden in the pharmaceutical debate is so big that the > misinformation is perpetual. But you are right: it is not classified, and > even just googling on the net shows that hydroxychloroquine, when used > convenably, *might* be better than some other medication, and perhaps > cannabis is still better (as more and more studies seem to show). > > > If you, Mitch, Telmo, your biologist friend, or Trump have data concerning > effectiveness of HCQ with significant sample sizes in randomized > placebo-controlled trials, and can demonstrate that said trials are free of > epidemiologists' long lists of possible issues/bias, then the only thing > stopping you guys from stepping forward and making world history as > non-professionals is your own minds. 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