On 7/31/2020 5:49 PM, Jason Resch wrote:


On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 7:37 PM PGC <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



    On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 2:26:40 AM UTC+2, Jason wrote:



        On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 7:20 PM PGC <[email protected]> wrote:



            On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 1:12:49 AM UTC+2, Jason wrote:

                There have been 65 studies on HCQ. Of all the tests
                that looked at giving it early in the disease, or
                prophylactically, they showed HCQ was beneficial. This
                site summarizes them all: https://c19study.com/

                The only studies that have shown HCQ to be ineffective
                are those where it is given late in the disease
                progression (when the disease shifts from the viral
                replication phase to an immune system dysregulation
                phase
                
<https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf>
                (see page 2)). Even then, 61% of studies have shown
                some effectiveness even when it is given late.

                Given the well-established safety
                
<https://www.cdc.gov/malaria/resources/pdf/fsp/drugs/Hydroxychloroquine.pdf>
                record of HCQ, this is the dilemma we face:


                        HCQ works       HCQ doesn't work
                HCQ widely dispensed    10,000s of thousands of lives
                saved   $20 wasted per patient
                HCQ use restricted      10,000s of thousands of needless
                deaths  $0 wasted per patient


                Even in the face of impartial information on its
                effectiveness, the decision is clear.


            
https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/04-07-2020-who-discontinues-hydroxychloroquine-and-lopinavir-ritonavir-treatment-arms-for-covid-19

            Why not find out from the WHO or the steering committee
            itself? Just be prepared to wait as I believe they are
            somewhat busy.

            But contact them


        Find out what from the WHO?


    Why they discontinued the treatment arm and why you think they
    should re-establish it (again btw) to save thousands of lives,
    with your table and the website. PGC



It's purely a decision theory problem. They WHO is not infallible (and have demonstrated that recently), the science on HCQs effectiveness is mixed, the science on its safety is clear.

Given that there is a clearly optimal decision with a higher expected value.

No, there is not.  The trials show some improvement for ill persons.  It doesn't show there would be no harm in using it as a preventative in well persons.

Brent


The very link you provided says they only cancelled only the late stage testing. They are continuing early and prophylactic use tests.

    "This decision applies only to the conduct of the Solidarity trial
    in hospitalized patients and does not affect the possible
    evaluation in other studies of hydroxychloroquine or
    lopinavir/ritonavir in non-hospitalized patients or as pre- or
    post-exposure prophylaxis for COVID-19."


Jason
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