Socialism is merely a path or should be, and not a goal. Socialism was indeed the primary method by the nazis for social control, for those not relegated to the camps. Later, the Soviets resorted to this softer approach. The Nazis did go big for crony capitalism of which we see plaguing the US today. That Christianity should be blamed for expanding slavery amongst the New World is a fair accusation. That the fact that Islam as a society produced and equally large slave trade, beforehand, and at the same time, and afterwards, is being ignored for ideological reasons, obviously. https://www.dw.com/en/east-africas-forgotten-slave-trade/a-50126759 At this point Eugene Debs is not on the same socialist road and Brother Bernie, nor, Kamala, nor, AOC, nor, congresswoman Rashida, and so forth, Plus. like the Deutschlanders the deutschlanders of the period, also do what democrats and republican representatives now do, represent the very wealthy. Republicans- (note, the zero in the column indicates the other side)https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-overview/biggest-donors?cycle=2020&view=hi Democrats- (note, the zero in the column indicates the other side)https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-overview/biggest-donors I suspect as of tonight we might not or perhaps should not, survive intact as a nation-state much longer, because we have nothing that unites us. I would meekly advise the EU members that arrive here, to consider their own continuity national, or EU, because they US likely will not be able to deliver things like NATO contribution etc.
-----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Crowell <[email protected]> To: Everything List <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Nov 26, 2020 6:15 pm Subject: Re: FW: A Lamentation on Thanksgiving 2020 Another bag of bullshit has been deposited here. First off while Nazism is short for national socialism, it is not socialism in any democratic sense. To call Hitler a socialist, say in the context of Eugene Debs or other socialists within the democratic frame is a dishonest lie. There was also no particular connection to the sort of mystery mongering you cite with the Nazis. They were not particularly given to things like fortune telling, other than maybe a bit of gaming. Anyway, Ronald Reagan consulted with an astrologer. When it comes to your list o,f things important, aseity, causality, origin, meanings, morals, telos, ideas of eschaton and so forth only causality and maybe origin are relevant. If you do not think physics has something to do with causality then you clearly do not know what you are talking about. Origins with respect to cosmology and quantum generation of spacetime is of importance. As for the rest of this, it is largely just excess metaphysics, some of it bad metaphysics such as eschatology, and most of it should be placed where it belongs. the trash can. As for the rest with parallel universes, really then are orthogonal, and the like you are raising silly strawmen issues. I read an archeological article 20 years ago or so on findings in Europe from the 5th to the 8th centuries. There are being unearthed mass graves of people who were massacred by papal soldiers. It relates how the expansion of Christianity was accomplished by bloodshed, and this was mirrored later in the Crusades and then later in the European expansion into the Americas and elsewhere with the imperial expansion of slavery. Where Europeans came bearing crosses mass death and murder followed. This was only possibly challenged in its horror by the expansion of Islam. The noble consciousness awakening you cite with Augustine has a serious trail of blood and dead bodies. I see all of this as at best dead metaphysics that largely I think we need to simply throw out with trash. LC On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 9:25:38 AM UTC-6 medinuclear wrote: [Philip Benjamin] On the usual civilized pagan notion that “None of these ideas have any meaning to those of us who think in a primarily scientific way,” it must be noted that SOCIALIST Germany under SOCIALIST Hitler was the most advanced in science and technology during the early 20- th Century. That to certain extent was true also of Marxist Stalin’s Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics, and of Fascist ( Business-Politics-merger) Mussolini’s Italy. Political establishments of ALL nations today are not very far from such ONE PARTY dictatorships. Washington Establishment is the most PAGAN of all—occultism (mysticism, meditations etc.) fortunetelling, tarot card reading, necromancy, so on and so forth are commonlyand seriously practiced by the rich and famous and nearly ALL politicians. Non-pagan Civilizations with individual, Augustinian awakened consciousness, not the kundalini/reptilian pagan ones with un-awakened consciousness, produced MODERN science and technology, not vice versa. Those pagans who invoke the goddess of science and make exclusive claims of being scientific do not recognize that fact. Science is finite, incomplete, imprecise and often inconsistent. How can any science be complete with 95% of matter in the universe still unknown?How can science accept dark-matter physics, but not dark-matter chemistry? How can science deal with the questions of aseity, causality, origin, meanings, morals, telos, ideas of eschaton etc.? One famous scientist talked about oxy-moronic “self-creation” contrary to all Laws of Logic. Another discusses the physics of Hitlers still fighting Socialist wars in a parallel universes, without any reference to “parallel” chemistry!! A multiverse Universe will need Multiverse physics and chemistry and biology etc. Learned foolishness of present science and technology will not answer the fundamental or ultimate questions of life and consciousness. Science without humility is non-science.Philip Benjamin From: [email protected] <[email protected]>On Behalf Of Lawrence Crowell Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2020 6:23 PM To: Everything List <[email protected]> Subject: Re: FW: A Lamentation on Thanksgiving 2020 Dumb white trash America has spoken! ……. This has also assumed the dimension of a cult, a personality cult of t'Rump where there is an identification of being a real American with supporting t'Rump. It echoes the "Hitler is Deutschland, Deutschland is Hitler" slogan during the Third Reich. None of these ideas have any meaning to those of us who think in a primarily scientific way. Comments about Augustine or other ancient theologians are only of interest in some historical sense. You do not hear this kind of discussion in a scientific meeting. It is otiose and anachronistic stuff that frankly all looks a bit like nonsense. …….. LC On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 2:17:31 PM UTC-6 medinuclear wrote: [email protected] [email protected] Subject: A Lamentation on Thanksgiving 2020 A Lamentation on Thanksgiving 2020 Philip BenjaminProgressivewickedness brings mourning, disgrace, contempt Awakened consciousness is transcendent, from death to life Great Awakenings Twice, with the third in order for respite American-Puritanism-ousting by progressive paganism is rife Non-pagan regenerated hearts and minds are rare and sparse Imago Dei defunct as humanist self is inflated and enthroned Sudden destruction, a historical imperative, is not off the pace Man-o-man! How is the gold become dim, most fine gold changed! Philip Benjamin__._,_.___Posted by: Philip Benjamin <[email protected]> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email [email protected]. 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