On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 7:00:54 PM UTC-6 [email protected] wrote:
> Socialism is merely a path or should be, and not a goal. Socialism was > indeed the primary method by the nazis for social control, for those not > relegated to the camps. Later, the Soviets resorted to this softer > approach. The Nazis did go big for crony capitalism of which we see > plaguing the US today. That Christianity should be blamed for expanding > slavery amongst the New World is a fair accusation. That the fact that > Islam as a society produced and equally large slave trade, beforehand, and > at the same time, and afterwards, is being ignored for ideological reasons, > obviously. > https://www.dw.com/en/east-africas-forgotten-slave-trade/a-50126759 > > At this point Eugene Debs is not on the same socialist road and Brother > Bernie, nor, Kamala, nor, AOC, nor, congresswoman Rashida, and so forth, > Plus. like the Deutschlanders the deutschlanders of the period, also do > what democrats and republican representatives now do, represent the very > wealthy. > Republicans- (note, the zero in the column indicates the other side) > > https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-overview/biggest-donors?cycle=2020&view=hi > To think that Biden and Harris are radical socialists is absurd. Biden has been a centrist democrat his entire political career and Harris has been a pretty centrist prosecutor. To think these two are even in line with Bernie Sanders is wrong, where Sanders is really about in line is a center-left political party in Europe. I think this is a relative thing, where as the American political center has gone further right what was once the center is now seen as radical left. A GOP congressman a few years back even said Reagan was too socialist. Given the trajectory of things do not be surprised if next decade t'Rump is called to leftist by the right wing. LC > > Democrats- (note, the zero in the column indicates the other side) > https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-overview/biggest-donors > > I suspect as of tonight we might not or perhaps should not, survive intact > as a nation-state much longer, because we have nothing that unites us. I > would meekly advise the EU members that arrive here, to consider their own > continuity national, or EU, because they US likely will not be able to > deliver things like NATO contribution etc. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lawrence Crowell <[email protected]> > To: Everything List <[email protected]> > Sent: Thu, Nov 26, 2020 6:15 pm > Subject: Re: FW: A Lamentation on Thanksgiving 2020 > > Another bag of bullshit has been deposited here. First off while Nazism is > short for national socialism, it is not socialism in any democratic sense. > To call Hitler a socialist, say in the context of Eugene Debs or other > socialists within the democratic frame is a dishonest lie. There was also > no particular connection to the sort of mystery mongering you cite with the > Nazis. They were not particularly given to things like fortune telling, > other than maybe a bit of gaming. Anyway, Ronald Reagan consulted with an > astrologer. > > When it comes to your list o,f things important, aseity, causality, > origin, meanings, morals, telos, ideas of eschaton and so forth only > causality and maybe origin are relevant. If you do not think physics has > something to do with causality then you clearly do not know what you are > talking about. Origins with respect to cosmology and quantum generation of > spacetime is of importance. As for the rest of this, it is largely just > excess metaphysics, some of it bad metaphysics such as eschatology, and > most of it should be placed where it belongs. the trash can. As for the > rest with parallel universes, really then are orthogonal, and the like you > are raising silly strawmen issues. > > I read an archeological article 20 years ago or so on findings in Europe > from the 5th to the 8th centuries. There are being unearthed mass graves of > people who were massacred by papal soldiers. It relates how the expansion > of Christianity was accomplished by bloodshed, and this was mirrored later > in the Crusades and then later in the European expansion into the Americas > and elsewhere with the imperial expansion of slavery. Where Europeans came > bearing crosses mass death and murder followed. This was only possibly > challenged in its horror by the expansion of Islam. The noble consciousness > awakening you cite with Augustine has a serious trail of blood and dead > bodies. > > I see all of this as at best dead metaphysics that largely I think we need > to simply throw out with trash. > > LC > > On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 9:25:38 AM UTC-6 medinuclear wrote: > > [*Philip Benjamin*] > On the usual civilized pagan notion that “ None of these ideas > have any meaning to those of us who think in a primarily scientific way,” > it must be noted that SOCIALIST Germany under SOCIALIST Hitler was the most > advanced in science and technology during the early 20- th Century. That to > certain extent was true also of Marxist Stalin’s Union of Soviet SOCIALIST > Republics, and of Fascist ( Business-Politics-merger) Mussolini’s Italy. > Political establishments of ALL nations today are not very far from such > ONE PARTY dictatorships. Washington Establishment is the most PAGAN of > all—occultism (mysticism, meditations etc.) fortunetelling, tarot card > reading, necromancy, so on and so forth are commonlyand seriously > practiced by the rich and famous and nearly ALL politicians. > Non-pagan Civilizations with individual, Augustinian awakened > consciousness, not the kundalini/reptilian pagan ones with un-awakened > consciousness, produced MODERN science and technology, not vice versa. > Those pagans who invoke the goddess of science and make exclusive claims of > being scientific do not recognize that fact. > Science is finite, incomplete, imprecise and often inconsistent. How > can any science be complete with 95% of matter in the universe still > unknown? How can science accept dark-matter physics, but not dark-matter > chemistry? How can science deal with the questions of aseity, > causality, origin, meanings, morals, telos, ideas of eschaton etc.? One > famous scientist talked about oxy-moronic “self-creation” contrary to all > Laws of Logic. Another discusses the physics of Hitlers still fighting > Socialist wars in a parallel universes, without any reference to “parallel” > chemistry!! A multiverse Universe will need Multiverse physics and > chemistry and biology etc. Learned foolishness of present science and > technology will not answer the fundamental or ultimate questions of life > and consciousness. Science without humility is non-science. > *Philip Benjamin* > > *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On > Behalf Of *Lawrence Crowell > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 25, 2020 6:23 PM > *To:* Everything List <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: FW: A Lamentation on Thanksgiving 2020 > > Dumb white trash America has spoken! > > ……. This has also assumed the dimension of a cult, a personality cult of > t'Rump where there is an identification of being a real American with > supporting t'Rump. It echoes the "Hitler is Deutschland, Deutschland is > Hitler" slogan during the Third Reich. > > None of these ideas have any meaning to those of us who think in a > primarily scientific way. Comments about Augustine or other ancient > theologians are only of interest in some historical sense. You do not hear > this kind of discussion in a scientific meeting. It is otiose and > anachronistic stuff that frankly all looks a bit like nonsense. …….. > > LC > > On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 2:17:31 PM UTC-6 medinuclear wrote: > > [email protected] [email protected] *Subject:* A > Lamentation on Thanksgiving 2020 > *A Lamentation on Thanksgiving 2020 Philip Benjamin * > *P*rogressive wickedness brings mourning, disgrace, contempt > *A*wakened consciousness is transcendent, from death to life > * G*reat Awakenings Twice, with the third in order for respite > *A*merican-Puritanism-ousting by progressive paganism is rife > *N*on*-*pagan regenerated hearts and minds are rare and sparse > *I*mago Dei defunct as humanist self is inflated and enthroned > *S*udden destruction, a historical imperative, is not off the pace > * M*an-o-man! *How* *is the gold** become** dim, most fine gold changed*! > > * > Philip > Benjamin* > __._,_.___ > ------------------------------ > Posted by: Philip Benjamin <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/136d8483-fa06-423f-8669-86f919b16272n%40googlegroups.com > > <https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Feverything-list%2F136d8483-fa06-423f-8669-86f919b16272n%2540googlegroups.com%3Futm_medium%3Demail%26utm_source%3Dfooter&data=04%7C01%7C%7C099e017c533345d65fc208d891a17260%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637419469877411890%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=LgUJgdvA8434LI5qHnQXTDEN6O1cdXhBEDtL4BsaRO4%3D&reserved=0> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/fe1c8c0b-ae39-4166-856c-befe843b5e05n%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/fe1c8c0b-ae39-4166-856c-befe843b5e05n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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