Interesting 2013 paper. I didn't get from the paper whether the authors concluded that this coding is constituted from an emergent feature of the cosmos, given the right conditions? Is it a feature of embedded an emergent program, based on physics that acts on the chemicals, panspermia, Ufo's, God? (you know He doesn't like to be called that! -BG2) Unanswerables....
-----Original Message----- From: Evgenii Rudnyi <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, Jan 19, 2021 12:01 pm Subject: Re: Evolution 2.0 Prize - $10 million I do not know if you have seen this paper: Molecular Codes in Biological and Chemical Reaction Networks https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0054694 They claim that in random chemical networks one can find some semantic: "High semantic capacity was found in the studied biochemical systems and in random reaction networks where the number of second order reactions is twice the number of species." I guess that they should apply for the prize. Evgeny Am 19.01.2021 um 00:58 schrieb smitra: > On 18-01-2021 18:03, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: >> Am 18.01.2021 um 01:01 schrieb Lawrence Crowell: >>> There are molecules that already do this. DNA and polypeptides are >>> sequences that are in effect codes. >> >> Yes, this is exactly the point by the prize. The question is to show >> how something like this could happen spontaneously. >> >> Evgeny >> > > It requires violating local thermodynamic equilibrium. I'm working on an > article and a few presentations for upcoming conferences where I explain > this in detail. This then proves that none of the current models for > prebiotic chemistry can explain the origin of life. A viable scenario is > to get to a large random organic structure forged in an interstellar ice > grain, where organic molecules at low temperatures under UV irradiation > will only interact with nearest neighbors. Thermodynamic equilibrium is > never reached, the system moves farther and farther away from this as > the reactions under UV radiation continue. This way one gets to large > so-called percolation clusters of organic molecules that have a random > structure. > > Such random organic structures look totally useless to explain the > origin of life, because what you want are the very specific molecules > that are involved in the biochemical processes in living organisms. > However, the structure of these random organic molecules is such that it > has interior structures with compartments containing large random > polymers and random interior surface structures. These can then serve as > micro-environments within which prebiotic chemistry under normal local > thermodynamic equilibrium conditions can work. With a finite number of N > structures in a compartment one will break symmetries such as chiral > symmetry at a level of 1/sqrt(N). Small molecules can escape the > compartments via pores in the random structure while large molecules get > trapped inside. > > Saibal > > >> >>> LC >>> >>> On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 12:28:18 PM UTC-6 [email protected] wrote: >>> >>>> "How do you get from chemicals to code? How do you get a code without >>>> designing one?" >>>> >>>> "What You Must Do to Win The Prize >>>> >>>> You must arrange for a digital communication system to emerge or >>>> self-evolve without "cheating." The diagram below describes the system. >>>> Without explicitly designing the system, your experiment must generate >>>> an encoder that sends digital code to a decoder. Your system needs to >>>> transmit at least five bits of information. (In other words it has >>>> to be >>>> able to represent 32 states. The genetic code supports 64.) " >>>> >>>> https://www.herox.com/evolution2.0 >>>> >>> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1d9f59f9-3a1e-78fe-4c1d-c023c61cd6e8%40rudnyi.ru. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/283121640.3788222.1611190968623%40mail.yahoo.com.
