[Philip Benjamin] Answer to Roland:
Physical Resurrection!
[Roland Cichowski] Question from Roland:
"... why the split between what you call the western world and the rest of it.
... "
[Philip Benjamin]
For science today what candidate is more suitable than bio dark-matter
and its chemistry to incorporate resurrection or a "knowable" consciousness?
The "roughness of world history" you are referring to can be reduced to the
irreconcilable difference between the "knowable" universe of the Greek
philosophy and the "unknowable" universe (Mystic Maya) of the East.
Post-transformation Augustinian philosophy
(https://www.midwestaugustinians.org/conversion-of-st-augustine) is all about a
"knowable" universe especially post-resurrection. Only a "knowable universe"
can be subject to scientific analysis. It was far easier for Rabbi Saul of
Tarsus to communicate with the Athenians (Acts 17) than the Doubting Thomas to
deal with Indian mystics, though both had difficult access to the Roman Jewish
colonies and the Cochin Jewish colony respectively.
[Philip Benjamin]
From: Roland Cichowski <rolandshh@
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 8:27 PM
To: Philip Benjamin <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] fancy a mystic?
Philip
Rightly or wrongly I am beginning to perceive your world view, maybe.
I like the rough world history and would not disagree with much of it.
However, why the split between what you call the western world and the rest of
it. Why recognise a roman pagan mystic and credit them with a major alteration
in human consciousness but decry the pagan background and influences it came
from?
And in case you say that Augustine was not a mystic:
Hearing a child's song and getting the idea that this was a message from god to
read the bible opening it to find the first thing you read, a verse by Paul,
triggers a massive change in consciousness. (Paul suffered under such a change
of consciousness was also a Pagan). I would describe the experience they had as
mystical, whether that changed them permanently for the better; that is hard to
say. Such individuals often struggle to explain what they have experienced, may
never experience it again, although it leaves its mark. Individuals who are
born with it often develop more softly under its influence and are more
accepting of the reality they live in.
There are mystics who are born to develop a ability to experience this way.
There are mystics who manage to develop this ability and there are those whose
minds are almost blown by the sudden emergence of even a brief glance of this
type of consciousness. This is why you get terms like cosmic consciousness, god
consciousness, pure consciousness, Christ consciousness, enlightenment. I would
venture that Christ consciousness would mean to take on this kind of
experience. I.e. Put on the Lord Jesus Christ [frame of mind].
This type of mystical awareness and experience is experienced across all
humanity in all times, although it can be explained in different ways and
cultural terms. It is often claimed that it is the source of all religions.
Augustine and Paul are but two examples of this and in some ways they seem to
have altered the main thrust of the teachings of Jesus a heavy karmic
responsibility indeed.
So why the trust in Augustine's view of things.
Roland
On 22/02/2021 1:19, Philip Benjamin wrote:
[Philip Benjamin]
Eastern world was engulfed in the mysticism of the unknowable Maya, Cosmic
Egg, Yin-Yang etc., when unitary-noncommunicative- mono-theistic mysticism of
Islam conquered most of it (still meditating!). The Western world is now
engulfed in the same mysticism, when who knows what will conquer it?
Marxist-Socialist-Fascism? Islam? Anarchy?
Western science dealt with the electric, entropic physical world of
"light-matter and its chemistries" for physical phenomena so far, it is time to
deal with the physical world of "dark-matter and its chemistries" for mental
phenomena. And get out of the rut of un-knowable.
Philip Benjamin
From: 'Rosemary Rock-Evans' via Consciousness-Online Saturday, February 20,
2021 3:33 PM
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: [Consciousness-Online] fancy a mystic? Serge and I exploiting mystic
fancy [and fantasy] to the full and not an ounce of dark matter in sight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqDjxTtx1FU&t=1s<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DZqDjxTtx1FU%26t%3D1s&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ce3d6368b95ae4d8bbae808d8d7a29447%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637496440555365678%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=ZfKcr1wjac2H9XbMWurI0eCfY%2F2Lte1AoQFD6qsiyvU%3D&reserved=0>.
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