[Philip Benjamin]
One is compelled to reiterate. There is an incorrect, but campus-popular
WAMP argument that “Western Science has investigated the nature of this
knowable universe [as physical or material]. ….. it can be perceived that it
is in reality not physical and material in the normal sense of the words
meanings. Physical reality disappears into something we label as a quantum
flux”. Actually this is pre-transformational pagan Greco-Roman Augustinian
thinking, which was completely wiped out in post-transformational non-pagan
Augustinian system. All forms of paganism including erudite, atheistic,
humanistic, totalitarian Marxism/Socialism/Fascism must necessarily have the
singularity of an Uncaused First-Cause. What is MORE reasonable: Dead matter
having aseity producing life or Aseitous LIFE producing both dead-matter and
other life-forms? WAMP = Western Acade-Media Pagan(ism).
Only a degree of rationality can be established here. Freshmen
classes are never challenged with fundamental questions of aseity, origin,
meaning, morality, telos etc. Augustine (who in later life gave up on
Platonism) unabashedly accepted the Athenian Mars Hill Discourse of Rabbi Saul
of Tarsus, where the Greco-Roman unknown god was identified as the Risen
Messiah of the Adonai (plural) YHWH (singular) Elohim (uni-plural) that has
Patriarchal, Prophetic and Apostolic imprimatur.
Quantum-flux is what physicists arbitrarily “call”, based on the
‘CopenPagan’ Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics, which is constructed on the
false and artificial Particle-wave duality of the pioneer Physicist Niels Bohr
after his Yin/Yang imagination. However, a particle is always particle and wave
is always wave ( despite some physicists’ scurrilous claim that Yogis can
perceive both particle and wave at the slit experiments!). De Broglie dealt
with wave-like particle. Newton or Einstein never thought of corpuscles as
waves. Young (Puritan) never thought of waves as particles. Physicists have to
remember that Wave-likeness ≠ Waviness.
What property of Maya/Illusion is not explicable by bio dark-matter with
its chemistry? There is an ordinary materialism of ordinary matter and
extraordinary materialism of extraordinary matter. Both bio light-matter and
bio dark-matter with their chemistries yield the resonant “light” (electric,
entropic) & “dark” (non-electric, non-entropic) twins from the moment of
conception. For the WAMP it is a taboo because it smacks of “spirit/soul”.
WAMP-the-Ingrate is the steali ng beneficiary of the
Augustinian Trust!! None needs to mind being called a “bigot” for that
statement.
Philip Benjamin
Roland Cichowski <rolandshh@ Tuesday, February 23, 2021 9:09 PM Philip
Benjamin [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re:
[Consciousness-Online] fancy a mystic?
Philip
By knowable do you mean what most people would refer to as the physical or
material universe?
If this is the case then I perceive that Western Science has investigated the
nature of this knowable universe. As a result of this investigation it can be
perceived that it is in reality not physical and material in the normal sense
of the words meanings. Physical reality disappears into something we label as a
quantum flux. Or that is the best way we can describe it, it being almost
unknowable except by the use of speculation and symbolisation. Thus the
knowable world disappears into the unknowable. The perception of a physical
reality becomes an illusion.
Therefore when you state:
“…irreconcilable difference between the “knowable” universe of the Greek
philosophy and the “unknowable” universe (Mystic Maya) of the East…”
To me it does not seem to be an irreconcilable difference at all. In fact
Western Science has to all intents proven the validity of what you call the
Mystic Maya of the East. Maya means illusion and Western Science has proven
that the everyday knowable world of the physical exists only at the level of
its smallest particle. (It’s usually conceived of as an atom.) The concept of
an atom seems to have originated in your mystical east, which is ironic. Your
ability to perceive what you seem to be calling something physical and
therefore objective seems to rest in the ability of your mind to symbolise what
you are calling the unknowable. In this respect your physical reality is an
illusory symbolisation of what you call the unknowable.
Therefore if you are hoping for a physical resurrection any such occurrence
would in reality be the restoration of the expression of your present form.
This would have to originate from the unknowable in a future time, just as it
originates in the unknowable in this moment. I’m not sure about an exact
reproduction all things evolve in time and therefore you would need to change
to some degree also.
When you consider this concept you should be able to perceive that it is also
quite compatible with the idea of reincarnation. This I would expect you to
dismiss as another Eastern Mystical idea. In fact it was a concept known to
early Christians. When you contemplate the difference in the meanings between
resurrection and reincarnation you can perceive they are intertwined. If a body
and its associated consciousness, is resurrected having disintegrated and
vanished then reformed. It is in effect reincarnated i.e. reformed. If you like
to imagine it that way it would be re-formed from what you call the unknowable
which I presume you equate with what you call dark matter.
Dark matter is a term I find confusing because it suggests it is some form of
unseeable physical matter. Western science as you call it has already proven
the origin of physical matter to be unknowable, a much better term for dark
matter would be simply unknowable. It enables you to perceive it as something
which generates the knowable. If you call it dark matter then it suggests it
parallels light matter (the knowable). As light matter has been shown to be
pretty insubstantial, in an ultimate reality sense, it leads to confused
thinking. Another way to look at it is that the knowable generates the
unknowable and the unknowable generates the knowable. There is another option
and this is that the unknowable generates the knowable.
When you consider this you should be able to perceive more easily how it works.
The alternative concept that dark matter is a parallel part of the material
universe only embeds you deeper in the illusion.
You should not dismiss the mystical idea that all is mind so readily. If you
would like to envisage the condition of the world at the time of the collapse
of the pagan world I would recommend you watch in a thoughtful way a movie
called Agora. It may make you feel uncomfortable if you are a committed
Christian because it depicts early Christians to be of a very similar mindset
to certain other movements that are occurring today. There was a great advance
in knowledge in the ancient world that is not recognised today much of it was
lost. You may also perceive it as what you call WAMP propaganda but before
dismissing it out of hand you should at least consider the implications. The
impetus of Western Science as you call, it True Gnosis as I would call it was
set back several thousand years by the events of this time. The period of
Augustine coincided with it. Let’s hope that history is not repeating itself.
More power to our journey. Roland
On 24/02/2021 1:13, Philip Benjamin wrote:
[Philip Benjamin] Answer to Roland:
Physical Resurrection!
[Roland Cichowski] Question from Roland:
“… why the split between what you call the western world and the rest of it. …
“
[Philip Benjamin]
For science today what candidate is more suitable than bio dark-matter
and its chemistry to incorporate resurrection or a “knowable” consciousness?
The “roughness of world history” you are referring to can be reduced to the
irreconcilable difference between the “knowable” universe of the Greek
philosophy and the “unknowable” universe (Mystic Maya) of the East.
Post-transformation Augustinian philosophy
(https://www.midwestaugustinians.org/conversion-of-st-augustine<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.midwestaugustinians.org%2Fconversion-of-st-augustine&data=04%7C01%7C%7C6821ad45211c4cbfdc3608d8d871858d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637497329369516238%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=tHIR7SM66wtAyCZb%2BnkLqvGdKz4fAckCVjXun0AcOwI%3D&reserved=0>)
is all about a “knowable” universe especially post-resurrection. Only a
“knowable universe” can be subject to scientific analysis. It was far easier
for Rabbi Saul of Tarsus to communicate with the Athenians (Acts 17) than the
Doubting Thomas to deal with Indian mystics, though both had difficult access
to the Roman Jewish colonies and the Cochin Jewish colony respectively.
[Philip Benjamin]
From: Roland Cichowski <rolandshh@
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 8:27 PM
To: Philip Benjamin <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] fancy a mystic?
Philip
Rightly or wrongly I am beginning to perceive your world view, maybe.
I like the rough world history and would not disagree with much of it.
However, why the split between what you call the western world and the rest of
it. Why recognise a roman pagan mystic and credit them with a major alteration
in human consciousness but decry the pagan background and influences it came
from?
And in case you say that Augustine was not a mystic:
Hearing a child’s song and getting the idea that this was a message from god to
read the bible opening it to find the first thing you read, a verse by Paul,
triggers a massive change in consciousness. (Paul suffered under such a change
of consciousness was also a Pagan). I would describe the experience they had as
mystical, whether that changed them permanently for the better; that is hard to
say. Such individuals often struggle to explain what they have experienced, may
never experience it again, although it leaves its mark. Individuals who are
born with it often develop more softly under its influence and are more
accepting of the reality they live in.
There are mystics who are born to develop a ability to experience this way.
There are mystics who manage to develop this ability and there are those whose
minds are almost blown by the sudden emergence of even a brief glance of this
type of consciousness. This is why you get terms like cosmic consciousness, god
consciousness, pure consciousness, Christ consciousness, enlightenment. I would
venture that Christ consciousness would mean to take on this kind of
experience. I.e. Put on the Lord Jesus Christ [frame of mind].
This type of mystical awareness and experience is experienced across all
humanity in all times, although it can be explained in different ways and
cultural terms. It is often claimed that it is the source of all religions.
Augustine and Paul are but two examples of this and in some ways they seem to
have altered the main thrust of the teachings of Jesus a heavy karmic
responsibility indeed.
So why the trust in Augustine’s view of things.
Roland
On 22/02/2021 1:19, Philip Benjamin wrote:
[Philip Benjamin]
Eastern world was engulfed in the mysticism of the unknowable Maya, Cosmic
Egg, Yin-Yang etc., when unitary-noncommunicative- mono-theistic mysticism of
Islam conquered most of it (still meditating!). The Western world is now
engulfed in the same mysticism, when who knows what will conquer it?
Marxist-Socialist-Fascism? Islam? Anarchy?
Western science dealt with the electric, entropic physical world of
“light-matter and its chemistries” for physical phenomena so far, it is time to
deal with the physical world of “dark-matter and its chemistries” for mental
phenomena. And get out of the rut of un-knowable.
Philip Benjamin
From: 'Rosemary Rock-Evans' via Consciousness-Online Saturday, February 20,
2021 3:33 PM
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: [Consciousness-Online] fancy a mystic? Serge and I exploiting mystic
fancy [and fantasy] to the full and not an ounce of dark matter in sight
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