[Philip Benjamin]
“No matter what people miss in notions of computer and computation as
arithmetical notions. Everything physical is DEAD, unless it is ENDOWED with
life”.
[Bruno Marchal]
“This looks like vitalism to me, frankly”. Also, you seem to assume a physical
reality out there. That requires to abandon Mechanism (and thus Darwin, etc.).
I find this very speculative. There are no evidences for primary matter or
physicalism.
[Philip Benjamin]
There is not a single man-created mechanism that has “life” or
reproductive-- genetically informed-- capability. Life ia always and everywhere
an ENDOWMENT not an EVLOTION mechanism. CpenPagan Interpretation is
fundaMentally flawed. Mixed State, Superposition of States, Many Worlds etc.
follow from that. The Schrödinger Equation postulates properties of wave
functions or the probabilistic quantum states. Many Worlds essentially suggest
that those probabilities of the quantum State are all real and do not meld to
one state. They all become entangled with a version of reality generating the
quantum decoherence into different universes that branch off from each other to
create Many Worlds. That is the neo-vitalism. There is no chemistry without
physics and no biology without chemistry. Many worlds will need Many World
chemistry for Many Worlds biology. How can mixed states or superposition of
states CREATE life from imaginary waves? The de Broglie hypothesis is the idea
that matter (anything with mass) can also exhibit WAVEKIKE (not wavy)
properties. It is a mathematical derivation of wavelength of an electron by
relating Albert Einstein's mass-energy equivalency equation (E = mc2) with
Planck's equation (E = hf), the wave speed equation (v = λf ) and momentum in a
series of substitutions. Here mc^2 is replaced with mv^2, because massive
particles do not travel at the speed of light. E=mv^2 =hf, Since momentum p =
mv, λ= h/p (or m = h/v λ). The mass of the particle state is ALWAYS a reality
here—perhaps even for corpuscular light at an indeterminate decimal place--,
assuring every HONEST scientist that WAVELIKENES ≠ WAVINESS. Matter and light
each has energy and momentum, but light has a wavelength in addition. Therefore
de Broglie thought that matter may also have a wavelength. Remember,
wavelength was thus artificially assigned to a quantum particle. Though de
Broglie's hypothesis has experimental verification, it has unrealistic
mathematical predictability of wavelengths for matter of any size. Thus
REALITIES rigorously limit it's applicability. Ethical scientists will have to
reject absurd results, instead of religiously validating them as the only true
worldviews.
When scientists focus strongly on the high order ‘collective behavior’
of complex systems, they often refer to them as truly emergent systems with
aggregate qualities more than the sum of the properties of the constituents.
Emergence of new properties is regardless of whether the system involved is
organic or inorganic. An extra-physical vitalis (vital force, entelechy, élan
vital, etc.), as formulated in vitalism by the highly influential Swedish
chemist Berzelius (1815). The laboratory synthesis of the organic compound urea
from inorganic ammonium cyanate (in 1828 by Friedrich Wöhler.) invalidated only
that part of vitalism which stipulated that organic compounds could be produced
only by a mysterious vital force existing in living organisms, It did not solve
the problem of transition (or transduction) of dead mechanism to live
processes. This vital force turned out to be the ordinary “heat” in the case
of urea, but “heat” will not create “life” in dead matter. How can a
configuration of dead electrons, protons and neutrons give rise to life? By
heat? No way, Jose!
According to Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy Bechtel (William
Richardson, C. Robert) DOI10.4324/9780415249126-Q109-1
https://www.rep.routledge.com/articles/thematic/vitalism/v-1: “Vitalism has
fallen out of favor, though it had advocates even into the twentieth century.
The most notable is Hans Driesch (1867–1941), an eminent embryologist, who
explained the life of an organism in terms of the presence of an entelechy, a
substantial entity controlling organic processes. Likewise, the French
philosopher Henri Bergson (1874–1948) posited an élan vital to overcome the
resistance of inert matter in the formation of living bodies.”
https://slife.org/vitalism/ “John Scott Haldane borrowed arguments from
the vitalists to use against mechanism; however, he was not a vitalist. Haldane
treated the organism as fundamental to biology: “we perceive the organism as a
self-regulating entity”, “every effort to analyze it into components that can
be reduced to a mechanical explanation violates this central experience”. The
work of Haldane was an influence on organicism. Haldane also stated that a
purely mechanist interpretation can not account for the characteristics of
life.”
Best regards
Philip Benjamin
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Bruno Marchal
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 9:07 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Mixed State vs Superposition of States for Schrodinger's cat
On 19 Apr 2021, at 19:51, Philip Benjamin
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
[Bruno Marchal]
“Good question. I can answer some of them in the frame of the computationalist
hypothesis. Everything physical emerges from arithmetic as seen from inside in
some mode of self-reference. What many people miss is that the notions of
computer and computation are an arithmetical notion.
Another “cultural” problem, since Aristotle, is the confusion between the
(many) evidences that there is a physical reality, and the (absent) evidences
that this physical reality is fundamental or primitive (= has to be assumed, or
= cannot be derived from less).” Bruno
[Philip Benjamin]
Out of arithmetic only arithmetic can arise. Even that is questionable,
because all arithmetic about any physicality is already predetermined—nothing
new ARISES.
After Gödel 1931, we know that this is plausibly false, and provably false if
we assume Mechanism. The arithmetical reality is out of time, so that in some
sense nothing new arise from the 0th person perspective, or God’s perspective,
… But for the internal perspective of any universal numbers *in* arithmetic,
not only something new arise, but there are an infinity of surprises. No
machine can get an effective theory about all the arithmetical truth, nor even
define it, despite the clear intuition that we can have.
Before Gödel, we thought we could build the mathematical edifice on the
“simple” arithmetical reality.
After Gödel, we know that we CANNOT use the mathematical edifice to get some
foundation of even the simple arithmetical reality, but by using stringer and
stronger theories, we can see a larger spectrum of the arithmetical reality.
No matter what people miss in notions of computer and computation as
arithmetical notions. Everything physical is DEAD, unless it is ENDOWED with
life.
This looks like vitalism to me, frankly.
Also, you seem to assume a physical reality out there. That requires to abandon
Mechanism (and thus Darwin, etc.). I find this very speculative. There are no
evidences for primary matter or physicalism.
Dead physicality is governed by binding energies including chemical energies
ruled by chemical laws of bonding encoded as duet and octet configurations of
particles of opposite spins.
I can’t use this, as I do not assume anything primarily physical.
Life cannot arise from DEAD physicality.
I agree. In fact life cannot arise from anything physical, as the physical has
to emerge from the machine’dreams/computations (and thus arguably life).
Bohr was fundamentally wrong in introducing undefined subjectivity (whatever
that means) of living matter into quantum physics.
I agree.
Subjectivity is supposed to collapse a mathematical/statistical function, which
in turn causes subjectivity. Nothing could be more circular than that.
Moreover, if subjectivity affects a wavefunction either the former is also a
mathematical function or the latter has also subjectivity. Otherwise it is a
category error. A probability is a theoretical NUMBER which has no CREATIVE
powers and no aseity!! .
OK (I guess for different reason than you).
Amplitudes do not change that status. It has now become one of the gods of
Western Acade-Media Paganism (WAMP).
There are only two cultures possible for the entire human race: 1 .
Pagan culture of un-awakened/kundalini/reptilian consciousness; 2 . Non-pagan
culture of awakened/quickened/regenerated consciousness.
Hmm...
All the rest are sub-cultures of these two.
I would say that there are two sort of people. The con-artist who acts like
they have found it, and the researcher who propose theories, without ever
claiming them true, but on the contrary they propose verification test, and are
happy when when disproved, as they learn something.
Awakening in turn is historically of two types: 1 . Intrinsic-awakening,
through self-discipline, education and training of the mind. 2 . Extrinsic
awakening through extrinsic agents, as diverse as Eastern mystical powers from
a multiplicity of sources (such as TM, Yoga, mantras, occultism,
spirit-possession et.) and the Western Scriptural power of a Singularity of
Source [Adonai.(plural) YHWH (singular) Elohim (uni-plural, with Patriarchal,
Prophetic and Apostolic imprimatur).
Augustinian Awakening is that of the “inner man”
(journals.euser.org/files/articles/ejls_sep_dec_15/Halil.pdf<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fjournals.euser.org%2Ffiles%2Farticles%2Fejls_sep_dec_15%2FHalil.pdf&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc6eefddf6fdd423cc93008d906612202%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637547836526346476%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=FYlsWxc9lsluS%2Bok1%2B222F%2BhG2LYaHZgP%2BjaHyY2Ruo%3D&reserved=0>;
https://www.academia.edu/37733061/Saint_Augustines_Invention_of_the_Inner_Man_A_Short_Journey_to_The_History_of_the_Internality_of_the_West<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.academia.edu%2F37733061%2FSaint_Augustines_Invention_of_the_Inner_Man_A_Short_Journey_to_The_History_of_the_Internality_of_the_West&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc6eefddf6fdd423cc93008d906612202%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637547836526346476%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=%2FMortd%2BBjLKN2Cn5pZ4ByxJi%2FoT34rPnI2rm8WK%2BVnk%3D&reserved=0>)
-- ROMANS Chapter 7 & 2 CORINTHIANS Chapter 4
(https://www.ministrysamples.org/excerpts/THE-INNER-MAN-OF-ROMANS--AND-THE-INNER-MAN-OF--CORINTHIANS.HTML<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ministrysamples.org%2Fexcerpts%2FTHE-INNER-MAN-OF-ROMANS--AND-THE-INNER-MAN-OF--CORINTHIANS.HTML&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc6eefddf6fdd423cc93008d906612202%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637547836526356428%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=0TVEAS8gHODLQPw9Vc3MFaaKcmzDvCr5yHgjk8TFVmM%3D&reserved=0>).
The only candidate for science today to explain the invisible “inner man” will
be Bio Dark-Matter with its bio Dark-Matter Chemistry (Spiritual Body or
Physical Spirit?: Bio Dark-Matter Chemistry,
https://www.amazon.com/Spiritual-Body-Physical-Spirit-Doppelganger/dp/1620061821<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FSpiritual-Body-Physical-Spirit-Doppelganger%2Fdp%2F1620061821&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc6eefddf6fdd423cc93008d906612202%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637547836526356428%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=q2aB693muTCBKsYy5GDp%2FFiHBlH1%2FtRIvYyzArXLUeQ%3D&reserved=0>).
There will be “light-matter” and “dark-matter” twins cocreated from the moment
of conception, the former is electric, entropic and transient, the latter is
non-electric, non-entropic and enduring. The “inner man” then will be the
dark-twin, energized by external source of power. At death an un-awakened
‘inner-man” will be at a negative energy state (- E= -mC^2, where m is the body
mass which will be the minimum energy needed to raise it to any functional
level).
Western Culture is a 3- rd- 4 -th Century Augustinian Trust
(https://www.midwestaugustinians.org/conversion-of-st-augustine<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.midwestaugustinians.org%2Fconversion-of-st-augustine&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc6eefddf6fdd423cc93008d906612202%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637547836526366387%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=wqRqGctEYUkfjwRPAThhoX2VA9cU23Tnl2YKAhRe40Y%3D&reserved=0>).
Augustine was a civilized, scholarly Phoenician pagan with Greco-Roman roots,
before his instant “transformation” that pulled the West out from Greco-Roman
pagan philosophies and mystical notions to that of a knowable universe where
the aseity belongs to a knowable Creator who self-reveals through revelations.
That was in line to the Apostolic identification at Mars Hill discourse of the
Athenian “unknown god” with the Resurrected Messiah (Acts chapter 17: 16-34;
https://politicaltheology.com/the-politics-of-the-unknown-god-acts-1716-34<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpoliticaltheology.com%2Fthe-politics-of-the-unknown-god-acts-1716-34&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc6eefddf6fdd423cc93008d906612202%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637547836526366387%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=gkOt%2Ft7NGkGjk9Osjl%2BbYC8nnN3yL6obsUkB09n5vIM%3D&reserved=0>),
and opened up the channels of critical thinking necessary for explorations in
all fields especially science and technology. Here the Extrinsic Source alone
is the Dynamo of Regeneration. The Thomistic Scholarship, Reformation, Puritan
& Wesleyan Revivals, the Two Great Awakenings etc. are all offshoots of
Augustinian transformation , which all together produced the Western
Civilization—markedly different from the rest of the pagan world of wisdom. It
is altogether unlike the “Woke” sub-culture which is a constellation of
juvenile beliefs and attitudes that were carefully introduced into the
Augustinian West by WAMP-the-Ingrate.
Woke culture pretends to be compassionate, tolerant, altruistic and
intellectual. In fact it is glorified lethargy, dangerous illusion of liberty,
social justice and equality, that bestows social power to people who are
sycophants of the WAMP. It coerces the rest with very oppressive laws based on
fake or shallow and anachronistically misconstrued and passionate issues of
sexism, environmentalism, Jihadism, feminism, racism, etc.), instead of facing
the pain and tragedy in their own lives of addictions, life-styles and
miseries. “Woke” legitimately merits to be a pejorative term, with its
belligerent adherents willfully sticking to blatant lies of Marxism. QAnon
started as online posts by a shadowy figure named “Q”, suddenly exploded into
a cultish fringe movement that’s been dubbed as “extreme right” — usually a
typical Marxist tactics — and is now deemed a potential domestic terror threat
by some biased government agencies. The WAMP & the WOKE are willfully ignorant
of these historical facts: 1 . Slavery was for the first time in human history
abolished by law in the British Empire (the vastest, strongest, greatest
noblest—not perfect—ever on planet Earth), thanks to the life-time effort of a
Puritan MP, William Wilberforce protégé of the cleric John Newton, 2 .
Emancipation Proclamation was follower about six decades later in Puritan
America, 3 . Ocean routes to the East were necessitated by the Jihadist
blockade of all land routes through conquests, 4 . Women’s Suffrage, Abolition
of Child Labor, of Sati, of Foot-binding, propagation of education, hospitals,
charities, foreign aids etc. were biproducts of Augustinian awakenings of the
“inner man” (bio dark-matter bodies)—unheard of before that in the world of
conquests and dictatorships of un-awakened consciousness!! 5 . Ecclesiastical
authorities of Galileo times were only defending the well-established ( and
age-old) Ptolemaic science of those days.
Note:
WAMP = Western Acade-Media Pagan(ism)
Philip Benjamin
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