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Subject: RE: Mixed State vs Superposition of States for Schrodinger's cat
[Bruno Marchal]
"Good question. I can answer some of them in the frame of the computationalist
hypothesis. Everything physical emerges from arithmetic as seen from inside in
some mode of self-reference. What many people miss is that the notions of
computer and computation are an arithmetical notion.
Another "cultural" problem, since Aristotle, is the confusion between the
(many) evidences that there is a physical reality, and the (absent) evidences
that this physical reality is fundamental or primitive (= has to be assumed, or
= cannot be derived from less)." Bruno
[Philip Benjamin]
Out of arithmetic only arithmetic can arise. Even that is questionable,
because all arithmetic about any physicality is already predetermined-nothing
new ARISES. No matter what people miss in notions of computer and computation
as arithmetical notions. Everything physical is DEAD, unless it is ENDOWED with
life. Dead physicality is governed by binding energies including chemical
energies ruled by chemical laws of bonding encoded as duet and octet
configurations of particles of opposite spins. Life cannot arise from DEAD
physicality. Bohr was fundamentally wrong in introducing undefined
subjectivity (whatever that means) of living matter into quantum physics.
Subjectivity is supposed to collapse a mathematical/statistical function, which
in turn causes subjectivity. Nothing could be more circular than that.
Moreover, if subjectivity affects a wavefunction either the former is also a
mathematical function or the latter has also subjectivity. Otherwise it is a
category error. A probability is a theoretical NUMBER which has no CREATIVE
powers and no aseity!! . Amplitudes do not change that status. It has now
become one of the gods of Western Acade-Media Paganism (WAMP).
There are only two cultures possible for the entire human race: 1 .
Pagan culture of un-awakened/kundalini/reptilian consciousness; 2 . Non-pagan
culture of awakened/quickened/regenerated consciousness. All the rest are
sub-cultures of these two. Awakening in turn is historically of two types: 1 .
Intrinsic-awakening, through self-discipline, education and training of the
mind. 2 . Extrinsic awakening through extrinsic agents, as diverse as Eastern
mystical powers from a multiplicity of sources (such as TM, Yoga, mantras,
occultism, spirit-possession et.) and the Western Scriptural power of a
Singularity of Source [Adonai.(plural) YHWH (singular) Elohim (uni-plural, with
Patriarchal, Prophetic and Apostolic imprimatur).
Augustinian Awakening is that of the "inner man"
(journals.euser.org/files/articles/ejls_sep_dec_15/Halil.pdf;
https://www.academia.edu/37733061/Saint_Augustines_Invention_of_the_Inner_Man_A_Short_Journey_to_The_History_of_the_Internality_of_the_West)
-- ROMANS Chapter 7 & 2 CORINTHIANS Chapter 4
(https://www.ministrysamples.org/excerpts/THE-INNER-MAN-OF-ROMANS--AND-THE-INNER-MAN-OF--CORINTHIANS.HTML).
The only candidate for science today to explain the invisible "inner man" will
be Bio Dark-Matter with its bio Dark-Matter Chemistry (Spiritual Body or
Physical Spirit?: Bio Dark-Matter Chemistry,
https://www.amazon.com/Spiritual-Body-Physical-Spirit-Doppelganger/dp/1620061821).
There will be "light-matter" and "dark-matter" twins cocreated from the moment
of conception, the former is electric, entropic and transient, the latter is
non-electric, non-entropic and enduring. The "inner man" then will be the
dark-twin, energized by external source of power. At death an un-awakened
'inner-man" will be at a negative energy state (- E= -mC^2, where m is the body
mass which will be the minimum energy needed to raise it to any functional
level).
Western Culture is a 3- rd- 4 -th Century Augustinian Trust
(https://www.midwestaugustinians.org/conversion-of-st-augustine). Augustine was
a civilized, scholarly Phoenician pagan with Greco-Roman roots, before his
instant "transformation" that pulled the West out from Greco-Roman pagan
philosophies and mystical notions to that of a knowable universe where the
aseity belongs to a knowable Creator who self-reveals through revelations. That
was in line to the Apostolic identification at Mars Hill discourse of the
Athenian "unknown god" with the Resurrected Messiah (Acts chapter 17: 16-34;
https://politicaltheology.com/the-politics-of-the-unknown-god-acts-1716-34),
and opened up the channels of critical thinking necessary for explorations in
all fields especially science and technology. Here the Extrinsic Source alone
is the Dynamo of Regeneration. The Thomistic Scholarship, Reformation, Puritan
& Wesleyan Revivals, the Two Great Awakenings etc. are all offshoots of
Augustinian transformation , which all together produced the Western
Civilization-markedly different from the rest of the pagan world of wisdom. It
is altogether unlike the "Woke" sub-culture which is a constellation of
juvenile beliefs and attitudes that were carefully introduced into the
Augustinian West by WAMP-the-Ingrate.
Woke culture pretends to be compassionate, tolerant, altruistic and
intellectual. In fact it is glorified lethargy, dangerous illusion of liberty,
social justice and equality, that bestows social power to people who are
sycophants of the WAMP. It coerces the rest with very oppressive laws based on
fake or shallow and anachronistically misconstrued and passionate issues of
sexism, environmentalism, Jihadism, feminism, racism, etc.), instead of facing
the pain and tragedy in their own lives of addictions, life-styles and
miseries. "Woke" legitimately merits to be a pejorative term, with its
belligerent adherents willfully sticking to blatant lies of Marxism. QAnon
started as online posts by a shadowy figure named "Q", suddenly exploded into
a cultish fringe movement that's been dubbed as "extreme right" - usually a
typical Marxist tactics - and is now deemed a potential domestic terror threat
by some biased government agencies. The WAMP & the WOKE are willfully ignorant
of these historical facts: 1 . Slavery was for the first time in human history
abolished by law in the British Empire (the vastest, strongest, greatest
noblest-not perfect-ever on planet Earth), thanks to the life-time effort of a
Puritan MP, William Wilberforce protégé of the cleric John Newton, 2 .
Emancipation Proclamation was follower about six decades later in Puritan
America, 3 . Ocean routes to the East were necessitated by the Jihadist
blockade of all land routes through conquests, 4 . Women's Suffrage, Abolition
of Child Labor, of Sati, of Foot-binding, propagation of education, hospitals,
charities, foreign aids etc. were biproducts of Augustinian awakenings of the
"inner man" (bio dark-matter bodies)-unheard of before that in the world of
conquests and dictatorships of un-awakened consciousness!! 5 . Ecclesiastical
authorities of Galileo times were only defending the well-established ( and
age-old) Ptolemaic science of those days.
Note:
WAMP = Western Acade-Media Pagan(ism)
Philip Benjamin
From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On
Behalf Of Bruno Marchal
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:11 AM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Mixed State vs Superposition of States for Schrodinger's cat
On 14 Apr 2021, at 17:15, Philip Benjamin
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
[Bruno Marchal [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>]
"But the amplitude of probability is physically real: that is the whole
point of quantum mechanics, not to mention arithmetic (with Mechanism)".
[Philip Benjamin]
That is indeed physics proper. One has to appreciate your methodical and
systematic approach to this problem. It is commendable that, unlike the order
of the day, you do not rely on the logical fallacy of Argumentum ad
Verecundiam respect for "authority" of customs, institutions and I.Q.s, to
strengthen your argument and provide an illusion of proof. However,
probabilities are not necessarily possibilities. Amplitude of PROBABILITIES is
no exception. A theory of reality is not REALITY itself.
Indeed. That is even provable for the arithmetical reality, which is beyond all
effective theories.
Numbers form 0 to infinity are syncategorematic nouns.
Hmm... You might confuse the numbers, and the expression naming the numbers in
some theory, like the numeral 0, s0, ss0, ...
Numbers of what? 2 + 2 = 4 is not a categorematic expression of REALITY unless
the "of what" is specified.
Assuming that there is anything more, which I doubt.
It helps, when doing metaphysics with the scientific method to make clear what
we assume and what we derive from it. When we assume mechanism, and if one is
aware of the execution of all computers in arithmetic, the burden of the proofs
that we should assume more than numbers (or combinators...) is in the hand of
the believers in that something more.
2 electrons + 2 electrons = 4 electrons is a categorematic statement. The
probability of a massive particle being (or even becoming) a massless wave is
zero, nada, zilch. If my memory is correct even in a nuclear reaction
(explosion, included), the total charge before and after a nuclear reaction is
conserved; so also the total NUMBER of nucleons before and after a reaction are
also the same. It is the binding energies that are released.
As far as electrons in these PROBABILITES you cite are concerned, Bohr has
already assigned them to "stationary orbits" (predetermined energy levels).
Then where do the new "stationary orbits" of NEW REALITIES speculated in
various "mathematical/statistical" theories originate? What kind of
"chemistries" are available for these NEW REALITIES, such as Many Worlds etc. ?
What is the nature of a Many World chemistry?
Good question. I can answer some of them in the frame of the computationalist
hypothesis. Everything physical emerges from arithmetic as seen from inside in
some mode of self-reference.
What many people miss is that the notions of computer and computation are an
arithmetical notion.
Another "cultural" problem, since Aristotle, is the confusion between the
(many) evidences that there is a physical reality, and the (absent) evidences
that this physical reality is fundamental or primitive (= has to be assumed, or
= cannot be derived from less).
Bruno
Philip Benjamin
From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On
Behalf Of Bruno Marchal
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 5:47 AM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Mixed State vs Superposition of States for Schrodinger's cat
On 10 Apr 2021, at 16:47, Philip Benjamin
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
[Philip Benjamin]
Wave equation? Of what? Wavy Particles? Or Wave-like Particles? Wavy particles
is a paradox, a puzzle, a mystic mystery!! That is how a purely scientific
theory such as Quantum Mechanics became so confounded with absurdities and
speculations. Puzzle in, puzzle out!! There are and never can be wavicles,
only particles that behave AS IF in wave forms. An AS IF Logic is all that is
needed, not Both & Fallacy. The Schrodinger Cat was introduced only to show the
absurdity of taking probability statistics seriously. Probabilities are not all
possibilities.
But the amplitude of probability is physically real: that is the whole point of
quantum mechanics, not to mention arithmetic (with Mechanism).
Some of these pioneers of QM were occultists, alcoholics and some other serious
addictions. That is how the sorcerer-psychiatrist Carl Jung joined them.
Worldviews determine scientific interpretations. Interpretations are not
theories. CopenPagan Interpretation (a malaprop) is a pagan world-view, not
scientific theory. That is how Albert Einstein strongly disagreed with Niels
Bohr.
Which suggest that Einstein would have preferred Everett to Bohr. It is sad
that Einstein died in 1955. Everett published the "many-worlds" formulation of
QM (QM without collapse) in 1957. Most cosmologists prefer Everett, as it is
hard to imagine some being observing the whole universe to collapse it in some
state. Note that Belifante does exactly that: he claims that the use of QM in
coslmology requires an observer for the whole universe, and likes to call it
God, admitting that such a god is only a wave collapse, but Everett, like
Mechanism, illustrates that this move is not necessary. We need only 2+2=4 & Co.
Bruno
Philip Benjamin
Saturday, April 10, 2021 6:22 AM
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Subject: Re: Mixed State vs Superposition of States for Schrodinger's cat
On 9 Apr 2021, at 06:42, Alan Grayson
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
When the box is closed, and before the measurement, why can't it be claimed
that the Cat is in a Mixed State, not a Superposition of States? Only the
latter leads to the paradox of a cat which is Alive and Dead simultaneously. AG
Because the Wave equation in this setting leads to a pure state dead+alive, and
twe know that such pure state leads to different prediction than any possible
corresponding mixed states. (Assuming the SWE).
That's true even if the box is open, but in that case, the pure state will be
lifted to the observer of the cat, who will become itself in a pure state of
seeing the cat dead and the cat alive, in parallel histories. In this case, the
indeterminacy is explained entirely by the same indeterminacy occurring in,
amoeba self-division, or in the infinite multiplication of all relative
universal number state in arithmetic.
Bruno
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