On 6/3/2021 2:38 PM, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 5:04 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

        >> It doesn't say that anywherein the constitution,and these
        days a soldier can have weapons other than assault rifles.


    /> He can have a grenade.  He can't have a machine gun...a machine
    gun is assigned to a two man crew; same with a sniper rifle./


I don't know where you got that "/one man must carry it not //2 /" definition of "/arms/", you seem to have pulled it out of thin air, it certainly doesn't say anything like that in the constitution.

It's not nearly as thin as the air that says it's a musket.  It's the obvious functional interpretation.

And besides, the SADM nuclear landmine was specifically designed to be carried and activated by just one man.

        >> Anuclearbomb had been developed in the1950s that was small
        enough to be carried by one man, it was called the W54 warhead
        and weighed 56 pounds and had the explosive force of 1000 tons
        of TNT. It was supposed to be deployed as a sort of nuclear
        landmine. So does the second amendment allow Walmarts to sell
        nuclear bombs next to the shotguns in its stores?

        Special Atomic Demolition Munition (SADM)
        <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_demolition_munition>


    /> See what you did there.  You tried for a reductio ad absurdum,
    by missing the point ''Functionally, "arms" meant *what a soldier
    carried*''  They had cannon and warships in 1787 too..but they
    weren't called "arms".
    /


In 1787 the people that made cannons and warships were called arms manufacturers and that hasn't changed.It may be absurd but that's the world we live in because nuclear weapons are called "arms'', remember the SALT talks from the 1970s, the Strategic Arms Limitation Talks? They were about the reduction in the number of nuclear weapons manufactured by the US and USSR.

But they certainly didn't mean that in order to have well regulated militia people had the right to keep and bear frigates.  The use of "arms" to mean any weapon is clearly a derivative extension of what a combatant originally wielded with his arm.

Brent

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