> On 14 Jun 2021, at 17:05, spudboy100 via Everything List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > A wise idea to clear up the word clutter. New religions I hold we do not > need. It's better to use science to upgrade them.
That the whole point. To bring back reason in theology, which is the fundamental science by definition, before we commit any ontological commitment, be it is a universe or in arithmetic, or whatever. That is what theology has been from Pythagorus and Parmenides ()500) to Damascius (+500). Then we can see that the ideally sound universal+ (Löbian) machine have a rich mathematical theology, which is testable as it contains physics, and indeed QM-without-collapse confirms it strikingly well up to now, qualitatively and quantitatively. > If the universe does indeed learn as proposed by the physicist, then that's a > good thing. That is impossible once we bet that learning is a mechanical procedure, like with Darwin. In that case the physical universe Is a statistical pattern emerging from the (sigma_1) number relations. > Skeptic Michael Shermer paraphrasing Arthur C. Clarke, said: A sufficiently > advanced alien intelligence is indistinguishable from God.” No machine can, indeed, distinguish an oracle/god (in Turing sense) from a machine more complex than themselves. But science is in prediction, using the simplest conceptual assumptions, not in any metaphysical certainties, despite some can exist (but have to remain private). Bruno > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Clark <[email protected]> > To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Sent: Mon, Jun 14, 2021 10:21 am > Subject: Re: Was, Re: The theology of number, (Now) The Universe Learns (not > released on April 1st) > > On Sun, Jun 13, 2021 at 12:18 PM spudboy100 via Everything List > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > > > I am not saying we do not need theology, > > Maybe you're not saying we don't need theology, but I certainly am. > > By the way, the post I'm responding to contained 14 iterations of quotes, > that's quotes of quotes of quotes of quotes of quotes of quotes of quotes of > quotes of quotes of quotes of quotes of quotes of quotes of quotes, and that > makes it a bit difficult to figure out who is saying what to who so I have > removed them. > > John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis > <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> > > yab > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2u728c2V%3Dys689k%3Di6UkYZYLJcaSRfR4OkkOw3mnKD0g%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2u728c2V%3Dys689k%3Di6UkYZYLJcaSRfR4OkkOw3mnKD0g%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/312723948.4982996.1623683125051%40mail.yahoo.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/312723948.4982996.1623683125051%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/9D88EFD7-4762-4E30-8647-012CD7F984A2%40ulb.ac.be.
